Fake Mint Errors on Ebay

giantsfan20 · July 3, 2015 4:13PM

The seller powaski56 has 3 of them off center and buffalo on cent 1926 D not say in Main Title is replica but says sort of in description if sold must say its altered as he states.

But still very misleading and dont they have to be marked as replica' Guess you can can tell because of the real clear date and missing the F initial but could fool the casual collector neverless.

Have reported and hope others do the same.

1926 d nickel on cent

slq on cent

Buffalo off center

GrumpyEd · July 3, 2015 5:13PM

That is poorly written!

"Fantasy Error on Authentic Planchet."

Interpretation:

"THIS IS NOT A REAL MINT ERROR"

segoja · July 4, 2015 1:23AM

Sneaky

AUandAG · July 4, 2015 1:50AM

Deceptive, reported.

bob

CaptHenway · July 4, 2015 1:52AM

All three reported. Let's get on reporting these, people!

19Lyds · July 4, 2015 4:06AM

No doubt someone intent on destroying the Moonlight Mint by going one step further.

"Standing Liberty Quarter on a cent planchet no date Fantasy Error on Authentic Planchet U.S., pre-1982 blank 3.1 gram copper cent planchet. In the U.S. if you own a coin you may alter it. But if you sell it, you must disclose that it was altered. In this case the authentic coin was a pre-1982 copper U.S. blank. It is very rare to find any major mint errors in the Standing Liberty Quarter ... "

Unfortunately, the error coins they are producing represent possible authentic error coins and as such, would fall squarely under the HPA's authority.

It's a very thin line in addition to the fact that the seller has not publically documented the intent.

And yes, I reported them.

ebaybuyer · July 4, 2015 4:56AM

after reading his descriptions I don't see how anyone could be misled into hoping... err "thinking" that these were true mint errors, too many reasons to ask the seller for clarification which is as easy as bidding. I vote not deceptive if one takes 8 seconds and actually reads the description

lkeigwin · July 4, 2015 5:10AM

Here's a fun one. Seller describes it as a rare, error coin. It seems the error is someone cleaned it. ANACS AU50 details but he'd like to get 55/58 money for it. He also calls it "problem free". LOL.
Lance.

CaptHenway · July 4, 2015 6:05AM

<< No doubt someone intent on destroying the Moonlight Mint by going one step further.

"Standing Liberty Quarter on a cent planchet no date Fantasy Error on Authentic Planchet U.S., pre-1982 blank 3.1 gram copper cent planchet. In the U.S. if you own a coin you may alter it. But if you sell it, you must disclose that it was altered. In this case the authentic coin was a pre-1982 copper U.S. blank. It is very rare to find any major mint errors in the Standing Liberty Quarter ... "

Unfortunately, the error coins they are producing represent possible authentic error coins and as such, would fall squarely under the HPA's authority.

It's a very thin line in addition to the fact that the seller has not publically documented the intent.

And yes, I reported them. >>

I don't think that this has anything to do with the Moonlight Mint and/or an attempt to destroy it.

They are counterfeit errors being sold as "fantasy" errors. I saw counterfeit errors of a similar nature struck long before Mr. Carr began his operations. Those included a counterfeit S.L. quarter struck off-center with the date and mint mark showing on a genuine silver quarter planchet, and a genuine S.L. quarter of a different date and mint mark given a fake off-center strike from the same counterfeit dies but aligned so that the date and mint mark of the counterfeit dies did not show.

Those pieces were being offered as genuine errors, as these pieces no doubt will be offered at some point in the future.

TD

dcarr · July 4, 2015 6:05AM

<< No doubt someone intent on destroying the Moonlight Mint by going one step further.
"Standing Liberty Quarter on a cent planchet no date Fantasy Error on Authentic Planchet U.S., pre-1982 blank 3.1 gram copper cent planchet. In the U.S. if you own a coin you may alter it. But if you sell it, you must disclose that it was altered. In this case the authentic coin was a pre-1982 copper U.S. blank. It is very rare to find any major mint errors in the Standing Liberty Quarter ... "
Unfortunately, the error coins they are producing represent possible authentic error coins and as such, would fall squarely under the HPA's authority.
It's a very thin line in addition to the fact that the seller has not publically documented the intent.
And yes, I reported them. >>

I would like to point out that the type of item being sold is not something that I would produce. Those errors are definitely plausible original US Mint error coins.
While I have produced some "errors" (for fun) in my over-striking activities, they ALWAYS clearly show the fantasy date so that they can be positively identified as what they really are.

PS:
I don't think this type of thing (striking over genuine US Mint blanks) is new. Or, at least, I don't think the appearance of these items is signaling the arrival of a new wave of counterfeits. Things like this have been appearing for a while now.
Several years I ago I noticed that the price of US Mint blank planchets went up considerably, especially for nickels. At one point, they were fairly cheap. I remember when they could be bought for $2 to $3 each. But since the US nickel has not changed composition since 1866 (except for the WW2 years), a US nickel planchet could be used to strike a lot of different plausible things on. So I think the prices for US nickel (and other) planchets has increased due to the added demand for striking such things on them.

CaptHenway · July 4, 2015 6:29AM

Excellent point!

LanceNewmanOCC · July 4, 2015 7:11AM

<< All three reported. Let's get on reporting these, people! >>

i did under copy>counter>counter because others have shown the stuff is still getting yanked.
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CaptHenway · July 5, 2015 12:43PM

I sent him a message about his fake errors being counterfeits and received this reply:

"In the U.S. If you own the planchet you can make it in a coin.😄"

A novel legal theory, eh wot?

Zoins · July 5, 2015 1:04PM

So these are made on genuine planchets in the US?

Defacing a planchet is an interesting angle as there are many planchets available out there. Is this like turning one error into another, more valuable, error:

Zoins · July 5, 2015 1:10PM

<< I vote not deceptive if one takes 8 seconds and actually reads the description >>

He does call it a "fantasy error" in the description:

<< Fantasy Error on Authentic Planchet. >>

SullivanNumismatics · July 6, 2015 12:59AM

Coins like this are dangerous because of situations like this (and other, worse situations.) The owner might know they're fake, but his heirs may not, and the coins end up back on the market.

Coins which are unquestionably fake it would be good if the owners put some sort of permanent mark on them showing their not genuine. I've considered, and probably will, start using a steel punch with the letter "C" on it (which you can buy on Amazon, etc), and punching it into the surface of any counterfeit reference pieces I have, so collectors in the future will at least have a clue that "this is a fake" should they ever come back on the market.

giantsfan20 · July 11, 2015 2:33PM

This seller sure got some great prices. $1025 nickel on cent. $460 for off center buffalo and only 218 for slq on cent.

Zoins · July 11, 2015 2:37PM

<< This seller sure got some great prices. $1025 nickel on cent. $460 for off center buffalo and only 218 for slq on cent. >>

Wow, I wonder why those weren't taken down....

braddick · July 11, 2015 3:05PM

Checking his feedback as a buyer it's interesting he had made many purchases of authentic error coins himself.

Fake Mint Errors on Ebay

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