Asking eBay seller to end listing early? Protected?

Halfway · March 6, 2015 1:39AM

I recently paid for a coin outside of eBay - I got a good deal asking someone to end it early. Am I still protected by paypal if they scam?

Thanks

BAJJERFAN · March 6, 2015 1:48AM

<< I recently paid for a coin outside of eBay - I got a good deal asking someone to end it early. Am I still protected by paypal if they scam?

Thanks >>

If you follow their rules you should be covered. At least according to PHH.

LindeDad · March 6, 2015 1:55AM

Not if you sign for the rock.

Halfway · March 6, 2015 1:56AM

<< 

<< I recently paid for a coin outside of eBay - I got a good deal asking someone to end it early. Am I still protected by paypal if they scam?

Thanks >>

If you follow their rules you should be covered. At least according to PHH. >>

I just realized this was against ebays ToS. I did pay goods/services in paypal, and paid the fee.

Halfway · March 6, 2015 1:56AM

<< Not if you sign for the rock. >>

Meaning ?

LindeDad · March 6, 2015 2:30AM

Meaning you have no Buyer protection for item not as described in the listing from eBay.
Know your seller.

ebaybuyer · March 6, 2015 2:44AM

what was the point of asking the seller to end the listing so you could buy it outside of ebay ? so you could buy I for less than it should have sold for ?

Halfway · March 6, 2015 2:58AM

<< Meaning you have no Buyer protection for item not as described in the listing from eBay.
Know your seller. >>

I realize that. But paypal still has me covered if not as described or shipped.. Correct?

BAJJERFAN · March 6, 2015 3:01AM

<< 

<< Meaning you have no Buyer protection for item not as described in the listing from eBay.
Know your seller. >>

I realize that. But paypal still has me covered if not as described or shipped.. Correct? >>

What fee paid PayPal protection would you have had you bought it from the same person here on the BST?

telephoto1 · March 6, 2015 3:12AM

<< 

<< Meaning you have no Buyer protection for item not as described in the listing from eBay.
Know your seller. >>

I realize that. But paypal still has me covered if not as described or shipped.. Correct? >>

Yes...as long as you used PP funded by a credit card, you are covered even though you violated eBay policy.

BAJJERFAN · March 6, 2015 3:35AM

<< 

<< 

<< Meaning you have no Buyer protection for item not as described in the listing from eBay.
Know your seller. >>

I realize that. But paypal still has me covered if not as described or shipped.. Correct? >>

Yes...as long as you used PP funded by a credit card, you are covered even though you violated eBay policy. >>

What does eBay have to do with it? They aren't in the picture anymore. If you end your listing on eBay and sell to me thru the BST, PP should still offer protection if the transaction results in the proper fee for PP.

TopographicOceans · March 6, 2015 5:15AM

<< I recently paid for a coin outside of eBay >>

So you think if you deal outside of eBay that eBay will protect you? Really?

BAJJERFAN · March 6, 2015 5:41AM

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<< I recently paid for a coin outside of eBay >>

So you think if you deal outside of eBay that eBay will protect you? Really? >>

He asked if he was still protected by PayPal, not eBay.

Halfway · March 6, 2015 5:43AM

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<< I recently paid for a coin outside of eBay >>

So you think if you deal outside of eBay that eBay will protect you? Really? >>

He asked if he was still protected by PayPal, not eBay. >>

Some people listen properly.

Christos · March 6, 2015 5:43AM

Same question in the post from the OP about the Cheerios Dollar and looks like the OP got cold feet or could be tring to figure out the Ol-coin switch trick.

Halfway · March 6, 2015 5:44AM

<< Same question in the post from the OP about the Cheerios Dollar and looks like the OP got cold feet or could be tring to figure out the Ol-coin switch trick. >>

Are you this thick-headed? The post about the Cheerios Dollar wasn't even a question. How is it even a question. It's about the eBay seller. Nothing more, nothing less. Please read properly before you post. And are you accusing me of scamming? Seriously?

Christos · March 6, 2015 5:52AM

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<< Same question in the post from the OP about the Cheerios Dollar and looks like the OP got cold feet or could be tring to figure out the Ol-coin switch trick. >>

Are you this thick-headed? The post about the Cheerios Dollar wasn't even a question. How is it even a question. It's about the eBay seller. Nothing more, nothing less. Please read properly before you post. And are you accusing me of scamming? Seriously? >>

Any particular reason you are getting nasty? The two posts are about the same item and seller read what you posted then ask your question again to yourself as the answer is self evident.

Halfway · March 6, 2015 5:54AM

<< 

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<< Same question in the post from the OP about the Cheerios Dollar and looks like the OP got cold feet or could be tring to figure out the Ol-coin switch trick. >>

Are you this thick-headed? The post about the Cheerios Dollar wasn't even a question. How is it even a question. It's about the eBay seller. Nothing more, nothing less. Please read properly before you post. And are you accusing me of scamming? Seriously? >>

Any particular reason you are getting nasty? The two posts are about the same item and seller read what you posted then ask your question again to yourself as the answer is self evident. >>

I agree with your signature, you are an ignorant nube. Carry on.

Next time, you might want to add a "thanks" or something along the lines of that for catching a potential scammer to one of you in the future. Take care buddy.

Halfway · March 6, 2015 5:56AM

<< The two posts are about the same item and seller read what you posted then ask your question again to yourself as the answer is self evident. >>

BTW - the two don't even correlate. This post was about if they decide to scam (I was skeptical), and it turned out they did attempt to scam. That's it pal. Don't even try and accuse me of being the "bad guy".

oih82w8 · March 6, 2015 6:08AM

Probably not...I have been wrong before.

Christos · March 6, 2015 6:13AM

This is where the coin in question from the OP is actually listed: link
http://www.acoinshop.com/2000-P-Cheerios-Sacagawea-PCGS-MS68-2000pCheerio.htm

"BTW - the two don't even correlate. This post was about if they decide to scam (I was skeptical), and it turned out they did attempt to scam. That's it pal. Don't even try and accuse me of being the "bad guy"."

How is it that they don't correlate when they are about the same transaction? You attempted to buy a very expensive coin off ebay way under it's value as stated by you and then you asked about the protection afforded you through PayPal because you asked the ebay seller to cancel the other bids. How am I wrong as this is what happened as stated by you the OP? I can refer to you as a "bad guy " if I feel like it even though I did not as they were your words. How do you think the other people bidding on the coin would feel knowing you talked the seller into pulling the coin early to sell it to you? I do have to say at this point they would be happy as some where in this process someone is pulling a quick one. If this were a legitimate auction and the coin got pulled I would be upset how about you?

Christos · March 6, 2015 6:20AM

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<< Same question in the post from the OP about the Cheerios Dollar and looks like the OP got cold feet or could be tring to figure out the Ol-coin switch trick. >>

Are you this thick-headed? The post about the Cheerios Dollar wasn't even a question. How is it even a question. It's about the eBay seller. Nothing more, nothing less. Please read properly before you post. And are you accusing me of scamming? Seriously? >>

Any particular reason you are getting nasty? The two posts are about the same item and seller read what you posted then ask your question again to yourself as the answer is self evident. >>

I agree with your signature, you are an ignorant nube. Carry on.

Next time, you might want to add a "thanks" or something along the lines of that for catching a potential scammer to one of you in the future. Take care buddy. >>

"I agree with your signature, you are an ignorant nube. Carry on." interesting concerning you do not know me. Usually those that have to resort to such tactics prove in the end to be at fault. Do you have more plebeian name calling remarks or points you would like to make in your defense?

Halfway · March 6, 2015 6:22AM

Sorry Christos, I'm not going to argue with such ignorance. Believe what you wish (I don't even know what your sake is of argument). Perhaps one of those individuals who just love confrontation. I don't play into that. This is pointless discussion and I'm ending it here. Enjoy your last words of "wisdom" towards me.

Halfway · March 6, 2015 6:24AM

PS: This isn't a court, you sure as heck aren't a prosecutor, and I have no desire to supply you with any "defense" to repel your skewed so-called "prosecution". Get it wise guy?

Christos · March 6, 2015 7:25AM

<< Sorry Christos, I'm not going to argue with such ignorance. Believe what you wish (I don't even know what your sake is of argument). Perhaps one of those individuals who just love confrontation. I don't play into that. This is pointless discussion and I'm ending it here. Enjoy your last words of "wisdom" towards me. >>

next post

S: This isn't a court, you sure as heck aren't a prosecutor, and I have no desire to supply you with any "defense" to repel your skewed so-called "prosecution". Get it wise guy?

So first I am ignorant and now I am wise, very interesting. You do not need to supply me with anything as you are digging your own hole and don't even notice that you are 20' down.

Halfway · March 6, 2015 7:27AM

<< 

<< Sorry Christos, I'm not going to argue with such ignorance. Believe what you wish (I don't even know what your sake is of argument). Perhaps one of those individuals who just love confrontation. I don't play into that. This is pointless discussion and I'm ending it here. Enjoy your last words of "wisdom" towards me. >>

next post

S: This isn't a court, you sure as heck aren't a prosecutor, and I have no desire to supply you with any "defense" to repel your skewed so-called "prosecution". Get it wise guy?

So first I am ignorant and now I am wise, very interesting. You do not need to supply me with anything as you are digging your own hole and don't even notice that you are 20' down. >>

Yeah lonely boy, whatever floats your boat.

Bochiman · March 6, 2015 10:40AM

All the back and forth bickering....WHO CARES????

derryb · March 6, 2015 11:37AM

youse guys should exchange phone numbers, then you can yell at each other.

And please, don't start another thread.

telephoto1 · March 7, 2015 1:54AM

<< 

<< 

<< 

<< Meaning you have no Buyer protection for item not as described in the listing from eBay.
Know your seller. >>

I realize that. But paypal still has me covered if not as described or shipped.. Correct? >>

Yes...as long as you used PP funded by a credit card, you are covered even though you violated eBay policy. >>

What does eBay have to do with it? They aren't in the picture anymore. If you end your listing on eBay and sell to me thru the BST, PP should still offer protection if the transaction results in the proper fee for PP. >>

Go back and re-read my post. I said he is covered. And even if he wasn't, he could always do a chargeback through his CC company.

And as to what ebay has to do with it... off-ebay sales of ebay-listed items are technically violations of ebay policy, as you are using their site and exposure to sell the item even though the actual transaction takes place outside ebay. In simpler terms, you're hosing ebay out of their fees after using them to promote your item... and they tend to not like that. It's almost impossible to enforce however, and the participants in such transactions obviously will never acknowledge doing so to ebay.

It would be interesting (albeit impossible) to know how many millions of dollars in off-ebay transactions occur each year and how much they lose in potential fees from people who game their system.

BAJJERFAN · March 7, 2015 3:03AM

<< 

<< 

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<< Meaning you have no Buyer protection for item not as described in the listing from eBay.
Know your seller. >>

I realize that. But paypal still has me covered if not as described or shipped.. Correct? >>

Yes...as long as you used PP funded by a credit card, you are covered even though you violated eBay policy. >>

What does eBay have to do with it? They aren't in the picture anymore. If you end your listing on eBay and sell to me thru the BST, PP should still offer protection if the transaction results in the proper fee for PP. >>

Go back and re-read my post. I said he is covered. And even if he wasn't, he could always do a chargeback through his CC company.

And as to what ebay has to do with it... off-ebay sales of ebay-listed items are technically violations of ebay policy, as you are using their site and exposure to sell the item even though the actual transaction takes place outside ebay. In simpler terms, you're hosing ebay out of their fees after using them to promote your item... and they tend to not like that. It's almost impossible to enforce however, and the participants in such transactions obviously will never acknowledge doing so to ebay.

It would be interesting (albeit impossible) to know how many millions of dollars in off-ebay transactions occur each year and how much they lose in potential fees from people who game their system. >>

Whether he went outside of eBay isn't relevant to the PayPal situation. There is no reason that PP needs to know that eBay was ever involved and if they did know, it shouldn't matter in the event of a claim. Of course we don't know anything about the deal or terms involved. The buyer seems smug to the point that he can't lose no matter what. My gut tells me that someone is probably gonna lose a trailer.

telephoto1 · March 7, 2015 3:23AM

<< Whether he went outside of eBay isn't relevant to the PayPal situation.>>

Um... I never said the two were tied together. Not sure why you're arguing against something that was never posited in the first place. I was essentially making two separate statements in one sentence- that ebay policy was being violated and that OP was covered by PP and additionally by his CC company regardless. Even if it were relevant, the CC chargeback still trumps all else and gets OP his money back.

Halfway · March 7, 2015 3:47AM

Update: I threatened to take legal action and seemed "glad" for this to be happening, and was refunded shortly after that message was sent.

BAJJERFAN · March 7, 2015 3:56AM

<< << Whether he went outside of eBay isn't relevant to the PayPal situation.>>

Um... I never said the two were tied together. Not sure why you're arguing against something that was never posited in the first place. I was essentially making two separate statements in one sentence- that ebay policy was being violated and that OP was covered by PP and additionally by his CC company regardless. Even if it were relevant, the CC chargeback still trumps all else and gets OP his money back. >>

If it wasn't relevant then there was no need to bring it up at all or at least put it in a separate line.

BAJJERFAN · March 7, 2015 4:04AM

<< Update: I threatened to take legal action and seemed "glad" for this to be happening, and was refunded shortly after that message was sent. >>

Lock the thread then, case closed!

If nothing else, one should have learned [from these two threads] to have one's ducks in a row when using PP in private deals. Describe the goods/services being purchased and pay PP their fee preferably through a CC.

AUandAG · March 7, 2015 4:13AM

I knew this would go south in a hurry........again.

bob

telephoto1 · March 7, 2015 4:30AM

<< 

<< << Whether he went outside of eBay isn't relevant to the PayPal situation.>>

Um... I never said the two were tied together. Not sure why you're arguing against something that was never posited in the first place. I was essentially making two separate statements in one sentence- that ebay policy was being violated and that OP was covered by PP and additionally by his CC company regardless. Even if it were relevant, the CC chargeback still trumps all else and gets OP his money back. >>

If it wasn't relevant then there was no need to bring it up at all or at least put it in a separate line. >>

Thanks. I'll be sure to give that suggestion all the consideration that it is due.

BAJJERFAN · March 7, 2015 5:48AM

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<< << Whether he went outside of eBay isn't relevant to the PayPal situation.>>

Um... I never said the two were tied together. Not sure why you're arguing against something that was never posited in the first place. I was essentially making two separate statements in one sentence- that ebay policy was being violated and that OP was covered by PP and additionally by his CC company regardless. Even if it were relevant, the CC chargeback still trumps all else and gets OP his money back. >>

If it wasn't relevant then there was no need to bring it up at all or at least put it in a separate line. >>

Thanks. I'll be sure to give that suggestion all the consideration that it is due.

>>

TwoSides2aCoin · March 7, 2015 5:54AM

Moral of the story :

"Never try to make sense out of anything online"

TwoSides2aCoin · March 7, 2015 8:02AM

<< Update: I threatened to take legal action and seemed "glad" for this to be happening, and was refunded shortly after that message was sent. >>

Good. That's not cool what the dude did , especially using my stuff to try and bilk people. Sorry for your trouble.

Halfway · March 7, 2015 8:07AM

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<< Update: I threatened to take legal action and seemed "glad" for this to be happening, and was refunded shortly after that message was sent. >>

Good. That's not cool what the dude did , especially using my stuff to try and bilk people. Sorry for your trouble. >>

Thanks.

. Too bad some are getting all angry and hurt over what I did, LOL. I think many whining over what I did need to take a walk. A long one.

derryb · March 7, 2015 1:54PM

<< Too bad some are getting all angry and hurt over what I did, LOL. >>

I'm still trying to figure out what you did. LOL

Let me get this straight:
You convince an ebay seller to cancel his listing and sell to you off ebay.
You pay via paypal.
You then become concerned about paypal protection.
You then threaten the seller with legal action and he refunds the money.

Couple of questions you didn't address in the thread:
1. How much time between you paying and you threatening legal action?
2. Did you ask for a refund before you threatened legal action?
3. Did you ever determine that you had PP buyer protection?
4. How did you specifically pay the buyer with paypal? (was the item you were paying for described in the payment?)
5. Why did you want a refund?
6. What's you ebay user ID?

JamesMurray · March 7, 2015 2:56PM

<< 

<< 

<< I recently paid for a coin outside of eBay - I got a good deal asking someone to end it early. Am I still protected by paypal if they scam?

Thanks >>

If you follow their rules you should be covered. At least according to PHH. >>

"I just realized this was against ebays ToS." I did pay goods/services in paypal, and paid the fee. >>

You are also expected to believe this.

derryb · March 7, 2015 3:05PM

I just realized this thread is all about that thread.

jessewvu · March 8, 2015 12:51AM

I messaged the seller and offered $1,200 for the coin. I should have it by mid week, will post pictures.

TwoSides2aCoin · March 8, 2015 12:59AM

Too bad about this whole thing. But the beauty is how it all comes out in the wash.

Lakesammman · March 8, 2015 9:01AM

Easiest to make an offer and have the auction converted to a BIN - still protected......unless someone beats you to it.

Asking eBay seller to end listing early? Protected?

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