Does this look like a fake PCGS slab?

SethChandler · January 27, 2015 8:01AM

The fonts just look a little off - as well as the coin in general.

stealer · January 27, 2015 8:03AM

The reverse looks very strange, is there any way you could get a closer image of it?

coindeuce · January 27, 2015 8:39AM

The correct info comes up on the cert. # lookup page, except for the PCGS Guide price of $72.

steveben · January 27, 2015 9:54AM

looks like a real slab

19Lyds · January 27, 2015 10:15AM

<< <i>The correct info comes up on the cert. # lookup page, except for the PCGS Guide price of $72.

>>

I didn't know they were so cheap.........

What the heck is wrong with this picture?

Cert# Say $72 yet the PCGS Price Guide says $1450?

What am I missing?

BustHalfBrian · January 27, 2015 10:16AM

Looks ok. The lack of barcode on the front is probably what's throwing you. For a short period of time, the barcode was on the back. I believe this slab is from the early-mid 2000's.

silvergoldnut · January 27, 2015 10:20AM

What are your concerns ? I have a lot of those older holders. The printing and font looks right to me.

19Lyds · January 27, 2015 10:23AM

I figured it out.

The Cert number is referring to an 1878-S "Morgan Dollar". Not a trade dollar.

This says its fake.

The Label has the wrong coin series:

Ajjohnson77 · January 27, 2015 10:26AM

You guys are paranoid.

coindeuce · January 27, 2015 10:52AM

Either 19Lyds just made a good catch of a forger's mistake, or smoebody at PCGS made a huge "mechanical error" while generating the insert.

I'll go with "mechanical error". The coin looks legit.

In that generation of holder, an 1878-S Trade Dollar would have been labeled Series 51, Coin #18.

joebb21 · January 27, 2015 2:46PM

its good

bigjpst · January 27, 2015 2:52PM

The barcode on the reverse reads correct for a 1878 S Morgan. Typically the barcode on the fake slabs come back jiberish if they scan at all. I say either mechanical error insert, or the slab was tampered and T$ inserted. Probably mechanical error.

bolivarshagnasty · January 27, 2015 3:10PM

Too many things wrong with this slab. The obvious is the label should say T$1 for Trade Dollar and it says S$1.

grote15 · January 27, 2015 3:15PM

I thought the 5s in the cert # look a bit off, also, but maybe not..

19Lyds · January 27, 2015 4:50PM

Isn't it funny.

So many blaring discrepancies yet............folks "want" to believe it's real.

And ya wonder why counterfeiting is so lucrative?

Send it to PCGS for a final determination.

MsMorrisine · January 27, 2015 5:04PM

What are the coin numbers for a 78S Morgan and Trade?

MsMorrisine · January 27, 2015 5:13PM

M7082 S$1
T7048 t$1

Bankerbob56 · January 27, 2015 6:06PM

I don't see any stacking tabs on the reverse either. Is it my bad eyes, or is the photo just not clear enough?

Treashunt · January 27, 2015 7:44PM

If it is fake, it is a great job

MsMorrisine · January 27, 2015 9:48PM

I say real with mechanical error of wrong coin number

astrorat · January 27, 2015 10:41PM

I don't recall seeing a lot of this generation of PCGS holders being counterfeited.

It would seem to be much easier to counterfeit the later holders since "PCGS" on the back of this holder is raised and silvered.

commoncents05 · January 27, 2015 11:29PM

<< <i>I say real with mechanical error of wrong coin number >>

-Paul

bcdeluxe · January 28, 2015 12:45AM

Don't the certs for Trade dollars usually read T$1 not S$1?

Edit: I see someone already pointed that out.

asheland · January 28, 2015 12:58AM

<< <i>I say real with mechanical error of wrong coin number >>

+1

SethChandler · January 28, 2015 3:37AM

Thanks for all the comments. I didn't even pick up on the cert verification, the S$1 versus T$1, or the lack of the word trade dollar on the slab. Sure, it could be a mechanical error, but thats not what caught my eye.

The fonts just look off to me. Too thick and boldfaced. Thats what caught my eye first, not the coin.

But if the holder is fake...then what about the coin.....(insert a line from any B Horror movie).....

The coin itself looks a little weird as well. Its seems the good TD counterfeits have the same look. Not many major marks, shiny, a little dirty, pewter like appearance. These are the only pics I have.

Anyways, its a friends, and I will make sure that PCGS sees it. The forum isn't 100% thats its legit, so let PCGS have a look.

I will give an update when the results are in.

jedm · January 28, 2015 2:22PM

I agree that the fonts do not look right. Compare the 5 as someone mentioned earlier, between the OP's pic and the one posted by Lyds.... the "fake" has a five lwith a flag like top bar, similar to a plain 5 1865 Indian Head cent and the one that Lyds posted has a different type of top bar; with a squared off look. Fake slab, real cert #, but wrong series. Too many things wrong.

mbogoman · January 28, 2015 10:47PM

Real coin, real slab, mechanical error.

What is interesting is that it is clear to me that PCGS changed the font of the "5" sometime in the middle of this slab generation, or had multiple label machines, each with a different font for the "5". I've got both types of "5" on that generation of slab in my collection. Here are two Morgans with the "suspect" type "5" on their label. These are without a doubt genuine coins.

jedm · January 29, 2015 1:41PM

Thanks for the correction on that 5 font. I checked the ones I have (not very many) and all were of the other font. I am curious to find out the truth when it comes back from grading.

Does this look like a fake PCGS slab?

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