MS70 question....

Ajjohnson77 · January 19, 2015 10:30PM

I recently bought the BU Ben Franklin commem dollars in ngc MS70. One of the coin has a slight almost 15 degree rotated reverse. My question is, shout a mint error mint error like this be slabed as a perfect coin by a third party company?

topstuf · January 19, 2015 11:17PM

Yes. To honor diversity.

FredWeinberg · January 20, 2015 12:17AM

No, it would not be recognized by
the four services as a Rotated Reverse.

U.S. Mint tolerance is 30 degrees.

PCGS (and I assume, but don't know for sure NGC)
will certify as a Rotated Reverse those coins that
are rotated at least 45 degrees.

(45 degrees means that the top of the reverse of the
coin must point to either 1:30 or 10:30) (if CCW)

There are many series, i.e. Buffalo Nickels/Merc. Dimes,
for example, that show rotations of 10-20 degrees -
well within Mint tolerance.

It's been my experience that R.R. collectors want
a 45 degree rotation at a minimum, and most want
90 degrees or more.

There might be specific type coins that are desirable
at less than 45 degrees, but they would be the exception
rather than the rule.

AMRC · January 20, 2015 12:28AM

I am not aware of rotation ever having an impact on grade. Interesting thought however.

FredWeinberg · January 20, 2015 12:34AM

I guess I read the OP wrong;

My comments about the Rotation stand.

As far as should they 'grade' any Rotated
Reverse, minor or major, less than 70 because
of the rotation - the answer is NO - that has
nothing to do with the coin's grade.

MGLICKER · January 20, 2015 12:39AM

""It's been my experience that R.R. collectors want
a 45 degree rotation at a minimum, and most want
90 degrees or more.""

Is a plus 90 degree even possible, is that not just an opposing rotation?

FredWeinberg · January 20, 2015 1:05AM

Not sure I understand your question.

A coin can be rotated up to 180 degrees,
either clockwise, or counter-clockwise.

90 degrees means that the top of the reverse
of the coin points to either 3:00 or 9:00......

MGLICKER · January 20, 2015 1:27AM

<< <i>Not sure I understand your question.

A coin can be rotated up to 180 degrees,
either clockwise, or counter-clockwise.

90 degrees means that the top of the reverse
of the coin points to either 3:00 or 9:00...... >>

Got it Fred. My internal Geometry drive had been hacked.

Overdate · January 20, 2015 1:57AM

With all the rotated reverse coins out there, you'd think at least one would have a rotated obverse.

CuKevin · January 20, 2015 3:28AM

<< <i>With all the rotated reverse coins out there, you'd think at least one would have a rotated obverse.

>>

Ajjohnson77 · January 20, 2015 6:30AM

Thanks Fred. Good to know there are still some good buys here on this board who will honestly tell you the truth whether it hurts or not. Its especially nice when we don't have these die hards nit picking at every aspect and flaw on a coin. Thanks again for the help.

TopographicOceans · January 20, 2015 6:57AM

Excellent question by the OP and I see his point - how can it be a perfect 70, yet not be perfect?

I'm glad Fred was able to clarify the grade is based on the strike.

AMRC · January 20, 2015 6:59AM

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<< <i>With all the rotated reverse coins out there, you'd think at least one would have a rotated obverse.

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