<< <i>Overdate, if you scroll up the first page of replies you will see that I posted the Heritage hammer price from January's FUN show. I posted it a few comments before the one you quoted. You don't need the link just read my comment. >>
Soooooo, the coin sold to "Heritage" in January 2014 at a Heritage Auction?
Isn't this what pissed off folks about Teletrade with Teletrade selling their own inventory or at least attempting to sell their own inventory in their auctions?
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
Soooooo, the coin sold to "Heritage" in January 2014 at a Heritage Auction?
Isn't this what pissed off folks about Teletrade with Teletrade selling their own inventory or at least attempting to sell their own inventory in their auctions? >>
yes, exactly, although not the OP's original direction, the thrust here is that the integrity of sales at ha/stacks/gc is questionable. they have 'crossed' many of the ugly ones amongst themselves and to themselves and, while not generating a true sale, leaving a false paper ticket of an apparently genuine transaction. this is a tough coin, unquestionably the hardest of the no motto large S series, yet it is not holdered correctly and cannot be sold at the holdered value because resolute imaging betrays it
<< <i>it just seems that heritage and stacks get some really generous grades, while us collectors have to fight for a fair grade. I know that the graders don't know who submits the coins but coins like this lead me to wonder >>
+1 >>
What leads you to think Heritage had this coin graded?
<< <i>it just seems that heritage and stacks get some really generous grades, while us collectors have to fight for a fair grade. I know that the graders don't know who submits the coins but coins like this lead me to wonder >>
+2 >>
Once again, what leads you to think Heritage had this coin graded?
<< <i>yes, exactly, although not the OP's original direction, the thrust here is that the integrity of sales at ha/stacks/gc is questionable. they have 'crossed' many of the ugly ones amongst themselves and to themselves and, while not generating a true sale, leaving a false paper ticket of an apparently genuine transaction. this is a tough coin, unquestionably the hardest of the no motto large S series, yet it is not holdered correctly and cannot be sold at the holdered value because resolute imaging betrays it >>
HA and Stack's Bowers do not swap inventory.
In addition to its auctions, HA maintains a large wholesale US coin inventory which can be viewed by dealers and collectors at most major coin shows. You can even get on a mail list to receive an email showing the entire inventory daily, and a lot of it now gets posted on eBat. HA buys from dealers, collectors and sometimes from its own auctions to feed this inventory. Its free and public auction archives provide a remarkable transparency.
I think the coin is great ! It stands to reason and living, although inanimate, proof of my theory of graditivity. Looser and looser, mistake after mistake, until the TPGs have to start all over again with a new let's say Purple holder and we will all pay for the privledge. I just love paying for doilies and OGHs aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhaaaaa.
<< <i>yes, exactly, although not the OP's original direction, the thrust here is that the integrity of sales at ha/stacks/gc is questionable. they have 'crossed' many of the ugly ones amongst themselves and to themselves and, while not generating a true sale, leaving a false paper ticket of an apparently genuine transaction. this is a tough coin, unquestionably the hardest of the no motto large S series, yet it is not holdered correctly and cannot be sold at the holdered value because resolute imaging betrays it >>
HA and Stack's Bowers do not swap inventory.
it is not asserted that they swap inventory, that would be a euphemistic portrayal. And while maintained above, I don't think anyone averred that the 'dregs' with overgraded slabs were directly submitted by the houses themselves, who originally submitted them is inconsequential. what is to be observed is that dregs will oft sell multiple times within a short given span (3-12 months), and perhaps as often interhouse vis-à-vis intrahouse. this is concerning. it can be envisioned that reneges, flips, et al could account for quick resale attempts intrahouse, but how does one explain the appearance interhouse of the exact same dreg within these short spans? it seems as if casting about for a new audience to circumvent stale bogus sales. these must be some type of house-to-house consignments, albeit tainted in some shady way. my opinion, not necessarily that of our hosts
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<< <i>Overdate, if you scroll up the first page of replies you will see that I posted the Heritage hammer price from January's FUN show. I posted it a few comments before the one you quoted. You don't need the link just read my comment.
Thanks, got it!
<< <i>The seller is Heritage. >>
Soooooo, the coin sold to "Heritage" in January 2014 at a Heritage Auction?
Isn't this what pissed off folks about Teletrade with Teletrade selling their own inventory or at least attempting to sell their own inventory in their auctions?
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>The seller is Heritage. >>
Soooooo, the coin sold to "Heritage" in January 2014 at a Heritage Auction?
Isn't this what pissed off folks about Teletrade with Teletrade selling their own inventory or at least attempting to sell their own inventory in their auctions? >>
This particular coin as graded stinks.
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<< <i>it just seems that heritage and stacks get some really generous grades, while us collectors have to fight for a fair grade. I know that the graders don't know who submits the coins but coins like this lead me to wonder >>
+1
What leads you to think Heritage had this coin graded?
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<< <i>it just seems that heritage and stacks get some really generous grades, while us collectors have to fight for a fair grade. I know that the graders don't know who submits the coins but coins like this lead me to wonder >>
+2 >>
Once again, what leads you to think Heritage had this coin graded?
<< <i>yes, exactly, although not the OP's original direction, the thrust here is that the integrity of sales at ha/stacks/gc is questionable. they have 'crossed' many of the ugly ones amongst themselves and to themselves and, while not generating a true sale, leaving a false paper ticket of an apparently genuine transaction. this is a tough coin, unquestionably the hardest of the no motto large S series, yet it is not holdered correctly and cannot be sold at the holdered value because resolute imaging betrays it >>
HA and Stack's Bowers do not swap inventory.
In addition to its auctions, HA maintains a large wholesale US coin inventory which can be viewed by dealers and collectors at most major coin shows. You can even get on a mail list to receive an email showing the entire inventory daily, and a lot of it now gets posted on eBat. HA buys from dealers, collectors and sometimes from its own auctions to feed this inventory. Its free and public auction archives provide a remarkable transparency.
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<< <i>yes, exactly, although not the OP's original direction, the thrust here is that the integrity of sales at ha/stacks/gc is questionable. they have 'crossed' many of the ugly ones amongst themselves and to themselves and, while not generating a true sale, leaving a false paper ticket of an apparently genuine transaction. this is a tough coin, unquestionably the hardest of the no motto large S series, yet it is not holdered correctly and cannot be sold at the holdered value because resolute imaging betrays it >>
HA and Stack's Bowers do not swap inventory.
it is not asserted that they swap inventory, that would be a euphemistic portrayal. And while maintained above, I don't think anyone averred that the 'dregs' with overgraded slabs were directly submitted by the houses themselves, who originally submitted them is inconsequential. what is to be observed is that dregs will oft sell multiple times within a short given span (3-12 months), and perhaps as often interhouse vis-à-vis intrahouse. this is concerning. it can be envisioned that reneges, flips, et al could account for quick resale attempts intrahouse, but how does one explain the appearance interhouse of the exact same dreg within these short spans? it seems as if casting about for a new audience to circumvent stale bogus sales. these must be some type of house-to-house consignments, albeit tainted in some shady way. my opinion, not necessarily that of our hosts