Knowing nothing about that specific coin - I'm saying yes. You'll never convince me that the prong just happens to be an absolute perfect match for that damage, unless of course, that's a new holder and the old one did the damage
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Bingo - the prong was in the 'perfect' area to do it.
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The moral of the story is, don't slab medals with fragile wire rims.
Or High Relief $20's, either.
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I was expecting to see a California gold, as I've heard those have been periodic victims of ED (encapsulation damage, thank you). Nasty what happened to this one.
So what does this do to the value? Is there any recourse for the owner? For error submissions are there "custom" holders that allow for errors to be encapsulated w/o damaging the error coin?
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<< <i>I was expecting to see a California gold, as I've heard those have been periodic victims of ED (encapsulation damage, thank you). Nasty what happened to this one. >>
Indeed. I have seen Cal Gold bent by slabbing.
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<< <i>Well on the bright side we now have a new term... PSD = Post Slab Damage
Shame as it needs to come out of the holder anyway since it was encapsulated with active PVC growth on both the obverse & reverse. >>
wow, the side with the words (rev?) is pretty obvious.
how sure are you the item wasn't like that pre-slabbing?
i've tinkered with pcgs rubber(?) inserts and i still find it hard to believe that the rings would damage a coin. imo, it isn't that the coins are in there really tight (on average) but that rubber and metal
don't permit much slide. the inserts certainly hold the coins firm but i just can't get there that the pressure is damaging tight? fwiw
I think all TPG's should do away with the edge view gasket. Seeing 50% of the edge does nothing for me & the coins looked better in the holder with the full gasket anyway.
If nothing else they should go back to the old gaskets for coins & tokens that would be susceptible to this sort of damage.
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<< <i>I don't know the texture of this metal or under what pressure it will bend, but it seems like an unlikely scenario. >>
White metal is very soft and would be quite fragile being thin.
Bingo - the prong was in the 'perfect' area to do it.
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<< <i>I don't know the texture of this metal or under what pressure it will bend, but it seems like an unlikely scenario. >>
White metal is very soft and would be quite fragile being thin. >>
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Or High Relief $20's, either.
<< <i>I'd say Yes -
Bingo - the prong was in the 'perfect' area to do it. >>
You'd think that someone would have paid attention to what was occurring as to why the coin may have been a bit hesitant to go into the insert?
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<< <i>Did the prong bend over the excess white metal wire rim on this token ] >>
nope. no worry there.
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Shame as it needs to come out of the holder anyway since it was encapsulated with active PVC growth on both the obverse & reverse.
<< <i>The moral of the story is, don't slab medals with fragile wire rims.
Or High Relief $20's, either. >>
I thought buying raw rare gold was ill advised
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<< <i>I was expecting to see a California gold, as I've heard those have been periodic victims of ED (encapsulation damage, thank you). Nasty what happened to this one. >>
Indeed. I have seen Cal Gold bent by slabbing.
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<< <i>Well on the bright side we now have a new term... PSD = Post Slab Damage
Shame as it needs to come out of the holder anyway since it was encapsulated with active PVC growth on both the obverse & reverse.
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wow, the side with the words (rev?) is pretty obvious.
how sure are you the item wasn't like that pre-slabbing?
i've tinkered with pcgs rubber(?) inserts and i still find it hard to believe that the rings would damage a coin. imo, it isn't that the coins are in there really tight (on average) but that rubber and metal
don't permit much slide. the inserts certainly hold the coins firm but i just can't get there that the pressure is damaging tight? fwiw
either way the item is damaged i guess.
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If nothing else they should go back to the old gaskets for coins & tokens that would be susceptible to this sort of damage.
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