<< <i>Dimitri, these are circulation coins. There was never an issue about that. and who knows, there might be more that 100 or so out there. A few are known in MS, up to MS 66. so there definitely is / was circulation. >>
I assume that your conviction on the matter comes from the fact that they were struck for circulation, but were melted down instead. Of the few that escaped, some entered circulation and some were better preserved, right? Just because a few dozens entered circulation by mistake or by necessity, and were accepted in transactions based on their intrinsic value, doesn't necessarily legitimize them as circulation coins.
I do not know their story, so you can dismiss all of the above.
It just reminded me that the opinions vary on the Greek 1921-H and 1921-KN 50 lepta too, whose story is identical. Similar numbers escaped destruction ,and today some show up circulated and some (fewer) uncirculated. These were difficult times and people were using whatever they could for a basic transaction. Today they are among the most prized and sought after coins, but the debate still goes on: some consider them regular circulation coins and some don't.
Thanks for bringing back this great thread Nick. It gave me the chance to replace a picture that had moved to a different website.
<< <i>Thanks for bringing back this great thread Nick. It gave me the chance to replace a picture that had moved to a different website. >>
You bet! I saved this thread the first time around, because I intended to add a number of these to my "want list" of course I never got around to doing that ...
I found this piece last September, but it only recently found its way into the appropriate NGC holder. Total mintage was 200 pieces. I have combed auction archives and only find 1 other example sold in recent years.
1732 Mainz 1/2 taler Minted to commemorate the death of Franz Ludwig von Pfalz-Neuburg (1664-1732). He carried the title of the Prince-Bishop of Worms, the Archbishop-Elector of Trier, and the Archbishop-Elector of Mainz. Classified as Zepernick 16, Walther 500, Alexander 657. NGC MS-63
I'm so excited to receive this NewP (tracking says it'll be here any day!), figured I'd mess with some photoshopping ...
This coin is the only authenticated example, of a very popular Type for counterfeiting. I usually strive for coins with more eye appeal but given the circumstances!
Oh I've seen you post it a few times over the years
Funny, I don't think I've ever seen you post the reverse side ...
I've seen it elsewhere. I feel like I've seen many more than the mintage implies. Perhaps they were business strikes? Or was this only struck in proofs?
<< <i>Oh I've seen you post it a few times over the years
Funny, I don't think I've ever seen you post the reverse side ...
I've seen it elsewhere. I feel like I've seen many more than the mintage implies. Perhaps they were business strikes? Or was this only struck in proofs? >>
Two year issue. The 1932 business strike mintage was a sizable 9,000,000. Though they tend to be pretty doggy. Used and abused, cleaned and really worn. And I would wager many or even most of them have been melted or lost given what shortly followed their mintage. Only about 100 graded MS across both TPGs, only one example in 65 (NGC) and none higher. Which makes this PF65 seem all the more special.
Poland contracted with the London Mint for some of the business strikes. London apparently took it upon themselves to strike 100 proofs for their archives. At least that's what the records indicate. The true number minted is unknown and presumed to be fewer than 10. It's ex-Triton IV (Karolkiewicz collection), listed in the December 2000 catalog as unique or possibly 3-5 pieces that have been or ever will be released by London.
As for the back:
We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last. --Severian the Lame
<< <i>Yessss! There's the mirror fields I love so dearly Thanks
So many pre-WWII proofs have a rich, behind-closed-doors history. Very cool. Let me know when you grow tired of Ludwiga (right?) and wish to sell >>
The coin is "affectionately" referred to as Jadwiga -- but the woman pictured on the coin is Polonia. The obverse was designed by the same man who designed the marble tomb of Queen Jadwiga, and many saw a resemblance to that piece of art. You can read about the evolution of the design at this link. The 10Zl coin was only a two year type coin (1932-33), but the 2 zl and the 5 zl were both minted for 3 years (1932-34).
The design was originally intended for gold coinage of Poland and dates to a competition in 1925, but it never came to be. Incidentally, the Polish Mint issued 500 silver proof sets of the original design from 1925 in the year 2009. Notice that by the time the design made it onto silver coinage of 1932 "Republic of Poland" was moved to the eagle side.
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RobP, you're your own British Museum.
my car art & My Ebay stuff
Very cool. Glad it's in a slab! These days, you need that level of credibility for such a rarity.
Let me know if you decide to sell!
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Bundesrepublik Deutschland 1957-F PCGS Proof 62
35 Minted
<< <i>Dimitri,
these are circulation coins. There was never an issue about that.
and who knows, there might be more that 100 or so out there.
A few are known in MS, up to MS 66. so there definitely is / was circulation. >>
I assume that your conviction on the matter comes from the fact that they were struck for circulation, but were melted down instead. Of the few that escaped, some entered circulation and some were better preserved, right? Just because a few dozens entered circulation by mistake or by necessity, and were accepted in transactions based on their intrinsic value, doesn't necessarily legitimize them as circulation coins.
I do not know their story, so you can dismiss all of the above.
It just reminded me that the opinions vary on the Greek 1921-H and 1921-KN 50 lepta too, whose story is identical. Similar numbers escaped destruction ,and today some show up circulated and some (fewer) uncirculated. These were difficult times and people were using whatever they could for a basic transaction. Today they are among the most prized and sought after coins, but the debate still goes on: some consider them regular circulation coins and some don't.
Thanks for bringing back this great thread Nick. It gave me the chance to replace a picture that had moved to a different website.
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<< <i>Thanks for bringing back this great thread Nick. It gave me the chance to replace a picture that had moved to a different website. >>
You bet! I saved this thread the first time around, because I intended to add a number of these to my "want list"
Here's a new-ish NEWP of mine. Semi-NEWP.
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1732 Mainz 1/2 taler
Minted to commemorate the death of Franz Ludwig von Pfalz-Neuburg (1664-1732). He carried the title of the Prince-Bishop of Worms, the Archbishop-Elector of Trier, and the Archbishop-Elector of Mainz. Classified as Zepernick 16, Walther 500, Alexander 657.
NGC MS-63
This coin is the only authenticated example, of a very popular Type for counterfeiting. I usually strive for coins with more eye appeal but given the circumstances!
Galapagos Islands (c.1900) "RA Sucre" ... Rogerio Alvarado countermark on 1895-Lima Ecuador Sucre
The host coin is graded XF45, and the countermark AU.
edit: Decided I like the Secure Plus photo better.
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Definitely more fun to hold than modern fantasy NCLT.
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Can't believe I never posted the worldsmostbeautifulcoin.com here!
1932 Poland 10 zloty, London mint, NGC PF65. Supposed mintage of 100. Possibly unique, perhaps one of a few pieces.
--Severian the Lame
Funny, I don't think I've ever seen you post the reverse side ...
I've seen it elsewhere. I feel like I've seen many more than the mintage implies. Perhaps they were business strikes? Or was this only struck in proofs?
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<< <i>Oh I've seen you post it a few times over the years
Funny, I don't think I've ever seen you post the reverse side ...
I've seen it elsewhere. I feel like I've seen many more than the mintage implies. Perhaps they were business strikes? Or was this only struck in proofs? >>
Two year issue. The 1932 business strike mintage was a sizable 9,000,000. Though they tend to be pretty doggy. Used and abused, cleaned and really worn. And I would wager many or even most of them have been melted or lost given what shortly followed their mintage. Only about 100 graded MS across both TPGs, only one example in 65 (NGC) and none higher. Which makes this PF65 seem all the more special.
Poland contracted with the London Mint for some of the business strikes. London apparently took it upon themselves to strike 100 proofs for their archives. At least that's what the records indicate. The true number minted is unknown and presumed to be fewer than 10. It's ex-Triton IV (Karolkiewicz collection), listed in the December 2000 catalog as unique or possibly 3-5 pieces that have been or ever will be released by London.
As for the back:
--Severian the Lame
Thanks
So many pre-WWII proofs have a rich, behind-closed-doors history. Very cool. Let me know when you grow tired of Ludwiga (right?) and wish to sell
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<< <i>Yessss! There's the mirror fields I love so dearly
Thanks
So many pre-WWII proofs have a rich, behind-closed-doors history. Very cool. Let me know when you grow tired of Ludwiga (right?) and wish to sell
The coin is "affectionately" referred to as Jadwiga -- but the woman pictured on the coin is Polonia. The obverse was designed by the same man who designed the marble tomb of Queen Jadwiga, and many saw a resemblance to that piece of art. You can read about the evolution of the design at this link. The 10Zl coin was only a two year type coin (1932-33), but the 2 zl and the 5 zl were both minted for 3 years (1932-34).
The design was originally intended for gold coinage of Poland and dates to a competition in 1925, but it never came to be. Incidentally, the Polish Mint issued 500 silver proof sets of the original design from 1925 in the year 2009. Notice that by the time the design made it onto silver coinage of 1932 "Republic of Poland" was moved to the eagle side.
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