1972/72 Lincoln Doubled Die -- I'd love to see some photos of MS65RD (and better) examples...

mercurydimeguy · July 24, 2014 1:17PM

Post one if you have one, would be great to compare/see.

Thanks

/mdg.

mrdq · July 24, 2014 2:33PM

dang, mine's 64 rb

blu62vette · July 24, 2014 2:36PM

Charmy had this recently:

LochNESS · July 24, 2014 2:43PM

Sweeeeeet! That is some mighty fine copper tone. Mmm could spread that butter on a roll and eat it.

<< Charmy had this recently >>

... and now you have it?

Well congrats to the new owner whoever they may be.

mercurydimeguy · July 24, 2014 3:15PM

Wonder if Charmy's example had any PL qualities (either Obverse or Reverse, or both)?

LochNESS · July 24, 2014 3:19PM

I don't see PL in the photos but I'm not very good spotting matte-proof Lincolns. My question is why the obverse has such obvious doubling and the reverse does not seem to have any. I just thought both sides would have the DD marks.

lostincoins · July 24, 2014 3:25PM

Hey LochNESS if you follow this link and do some reading it will give you everything you need to understand how a doubled die comes into being. Text

LochNESS · July 24, 2014 3:32PM

I thought the multiple-squeeze hubbing press thing happened to both sides when it screwed up. I feel like I've seen doubled dies in the past where both sides were affected by the error.

But thanks for the informative link. That is a really well-written website! And the photos are cool. I had never actually seen a hubbing press before.

BLUEJAYWAY · July 24, 2014 3:48PM

I still favor the 55/55 for it's more pronounced seperation of the date(s). And there is just something about double nickels, or should I say quad nickels.

lostincoins · July 24, 2014 4:08PM

OK so back to the OP who has a pic of their coin to share? I only have the versions with the smaller spread.

Bochiman · July 24, 2014 4:44PM

Sorry...would have to go to a website and post someone else's.
Mine is only a MS64RD and not 65.

I do like these, though. 55/55 first and foremost and then the 72/72.

LanceNewmanOCC · July 24, 2014 4:57PM

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not mine but some to look at if none or too few are posted

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GrumpyEd · July 24, 2014 6:16PM

<< My question is why the obverse has such obvious doubling and the reverse does not seem to have any. I just thought both sides would have the DD marks. >>

Because doubled dies are not from how the coin was struck.

The obverse die for the 1972 doubled die (this one is from the die known as die-1) was doubled when it was made so every coin struck by that die will have identical obverse doubling. The coin was only struck once.
The reverse die used with it was normal. That's why the reverse is normal.

A strike doubled or mechanical doubled coin is caused by a normal die that bounces and causes doubling but still they also often only show on one side. They are not identical like doubled dies since the bounce is not identical.
The coins that would show doubling with the same shift on both sides would probably be double struck, when a coin is struck once then it rotates or flips and gets struck again.

LochNESS · July 24, 2014 6:27PM

<< I thought the multiple-squeeze hubbing press thing happened to both sides when it screwed up. I feel like I've seen doubled dies in the past where both sides were affected by the error.

But thanks lostincoins for the informative link. That is a really well-written website! And the photos are cool. I had never actually seen a hubbing press before.

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GrumpyEd · July 24, 2014 7:34PM

<< multiple-squeeze >>

When they talk about single-squeeze they're talking about making dies not striking coins.
When they went to making dies with single-squeeze it made it unlikely that we'll ever get modern new doubled dies as wild as the 72 or 55.

LochNESS · July 24, 2014 7:48PM

Yes, the hubbing press is used to make hubs ... I acknowledged that it my comment, which I was quoting from an earlier exchange, which you seemed to have missed, even though it immediately proceeded my initial question. A very informative link was provided. You should scroll up and check it out, you might like it! Lots of cool photos.

mercurydimeguy · July 24, 2014 10:06PM

The MS66RD is the coin I currently own, I was interested in whether or not other higher graded examples had PL qualities.

The MS65RD picture is a coin that I owned previously, but have since upgraded to the 66RD.

Please post your pics if you have them....

The reverse on my 66RD has frosted devices and mirror fields. So a bit of cameo look to it. The obverse looks like an old school proof...no frostiness to devices but die polish and a smooth/buttery kind of look to it. I did go and see the Coin Facts website and was amazed by how many different "looking" coins are presented; the 72 DDO doesn't seem to have a mono/uniform look to it, each coin is quite different...both in color and presentation in general.

I generally don't like to use PCGS photos as a reference because the lighting that is used in TrueViews makes every coin look MS69 (e.g. the lighting angle purposefully hides a coin's problems...don't know why but if I were to guess I'd say that people who are paying for a photograph service want their coin to look as good as possible). I wanted to see what "forumite" photos might look like to really assess the surface qualities of coins.

bolivarshagnasty · July 24, 2014 11:02PM

I don't want to be Debbie Downer this morning, but I can't visualize the proof or frostiness qualities on your 66 example. Looks like a nice business strike in red on my screen. JMHO

mercurydimeguy · July 24, 2014 11:30PM

bolivarshagnasty, despite having taken tens of thousands of pictures, I still don't know how people get proof coins or proof like coins to show off the mirrors and frosty devices, this skill of lighting or photographic knowledge seems to elude me. i usually send my nice proof coins to Phil at PCGS to photograph (TrueView) because i just don't know how to make them do that. people have posted, "it's simple do X or Y or Z" but hundreds of countless hours spent on that yields no good results. Sorry

Wish I could send you the coin to look at in hand, you'd say, huh, check out the PL on this coin...

ThePennyLady · July 25, 2014 2:03AM

<< Charmy had this recently:

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I still have it, it's in my inventory

And here's the one I have in my personal collection - it's not a red example, but I love it because of it's pretty toning.

johnny9434 · July 25, 2014 5:19AM

<< Charmy had this recently:

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way nice, i like

1972/72 Lincoln Doubled Die -- I'd love to see some photos of MS65RD (and better) examples...

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