The possibility of gold and silver UHR medals in 2015
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Judging by how popular the 2009 UHR is and the premium it sells for over melt these could be a hot item. How would these affect prices for the 2009's?
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<< <i>Judging by how popular the 2009 UHR is and the premium it sells for over melt these could be a hot item. How would these affect prices for the 2009's?
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Soooooo.............is the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee going to change their name to the Citizens Coinage GUIDANCE Committee"?
Isn't it their jobs to "advise" on designs or are they looking to expand their opportunities?
The name is LEE!
I'm a little underwhelmed.
What very little information provided doesn't seem to suggest a 2015 St. Gaudens UHR.
But even if that is the route taken, I don't think it will negatively impact prices of the 2009s. But it may make them slightly more sought-after.
--Severian the Lame
I'm still betting these are going to be a 100-year anniversary of the Panama Pacific Expo related items.
What if this UHR coin were the same specs as the 2009 UHR?
What if the same box and packaging was used as the 2009 UHR but with a different book?
Box of 20
Too large, too much gold.
<< <i>Pan-Pac $50 will never happen
Too large, too much gold. >>
Not even as a 1oz ? UHR maybe?
I agree the 2.4+ ozs in the $50 will not be duplicated.
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What if this UHR coin were the same specs as the 2009 UHR?
What if the same box and packaging was used as the 2009 UHR but with a different book? >>
A few years ago I heard the mint had 100k empty OGP in storage from the 2009 UHR
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<< <i>How about a silver Pan-Pac like this 5-ouncer? >>
Using silver rather than gold you could duplicate the original specs of 90% 2.6875 oz, 46mm. The extra thickness could be used for UHR.
<< <i>Pan-Pac $50 will never happen
Too large, too much gold. >>
I like to think that too because my wallet couldn't take it. But the Canadian and Royal UK mint are both selling premium gold products. Some of these coins are 5 ounces or even a kilo and cost tens of thousands of dollars.
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new 2015 obverse design
same design on silver medal
"if pursue.... will seek approval of Sec. of Treas."
<< <i>Judging by how popular the 2009 UHR is and the premium it sells for over melt these could be a hot item. How would these affect prices for the 2009's?
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No affect.
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makes a nice bookend to the 2009 design
Moy was thinking that with 2009 uhr, that future UHRs could be prroduced also.
Committee in 2008 proposed an arts medals program which would be free of the restrictions on coins. Haven't gotten into detail on that. This silver medal will be a similar thing there.
talking size of planchet is ASE size. (me: not in stone here)
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artists assigned? - concept stage now... too early. Possible In House or one of 19 in Artist Infusion program.... load balancing & artist's strengths & likes ...
Can artists request? - not had those discussions yet. Sometimes requests possible.
Asker is mentioning that a wide variety of artists submit for this
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3 - skipped - AFK
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4 - in favor may be a draw for new collectors, may draw bullion investors to collect.
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5 - in favor
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6 - reverse design showed proposed ASE reverse not used - obverse - Walking, Standing, Bust.... like to see something creative modern but artist to have freedom to pull out sometihng from soul. Might be nice to have a paired new obverse/new reverse pair from same artist (me: please note
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7 - extraordinary positive. Something here for everyone. Not trying to be pure business, but to expand demand (me: read interest) good. Look for way to make things cheaper. e.g. sell an eagle for X, then there is a 2 coin set that would not be 2x but 1.90x (me: fat chance because of packaging & handling expenses) Technical issue find way to stop or reduce metal flow outside dies during striking (eg. wire rim)
Edge lettering, too. Whether it is assay, artistic text, design
good to have silver medal of same design for lower price point
(me: guy is using the term "series" here) Like to make the overall series unique to differentiate them from Eagles e.g. "Liberties"
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8 - good to see it in silver in high relief
2016 is 30th Ann of ASE, so for the year after in 2016 tie these into the 30th Ann. ASE
agree with other things said
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9 - owner of 2009 UHR - forehead and nose look like mask. left arm and right arm not paired well. Like to see body more representative of bodies.
agree with other things said
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10 - historical significance here. mentions Moy's conference presentation in Colorado Springs in 2007. Will fulfill Moy's idea - promise a neo-renaissance of coin design. the 2009 UHR was to be a close of an old era of coin design and a opening of a new era of coin design. But that has not come to pass.
Speaker says very good art being produced lately.
Call initiative "bold" and instill a lot of "hope" for something new and bold.
Introduction of medals program a way to introduce new artistry.
This UHR and medal a possible point of demarcation.
Lot of good designs we're looking at and have been looking at.
No limitation to artists - 21st century Liberty ... consider new approaches, ideas, concepts, etc. for Liberty
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11 (?) - home run .. all for it ... pivot point for mint. next logical step for mint
details for implementation - St. G. original was "ridiculously high" to see what could be done then backed off. A UHR vs. VHR, etc may be limiting to designs Some designs may not work in UHR. Suggest allowing for the relief that best suits designs.... but 3rd dimension is important. Need relief.
(me: this guy seems to know something about coin history)
Planchet size - likewise, more flexibility. suggests that silver dollar size, then a different size in gold doesn't work (me: bold statement?) Suggest a third size - bronze medal
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someone saying make full size double eagle planchet (me: ??? how can that be a uhr?? and the speaker differentiated from the 2009 DE UHR)
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All current members vote unanimously to recommend the gold/silver UHR
artistic medals program
specifically a silver (me: apparently only for #1) medal program - vision: a draft to develop - 2 facets- American Liberty Silver Medal Program - new & modern images of Liberty ... mentions having Librty on coins ... imagine a proof quality a date ASE size single Liberty obverse design paired with a new reverse design. - 2) loose idea called "free style" medal - free of required inscriptions - free to express American Themes how they see fit as vetted by mint ... could be gold or bronze or ... the idea is to produce 1 along side the Liberty medal in #1. Any unused but good designs could be held over to future years.
Hopefully they can talk and act to present to Mint in Sept.
Assembling a working group of 5/10 to ponder this....
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<< <i>Pan-Pac $50 will never happen
Too large, too much gold. >>
I like to think that too because my wallet couldn't take it. But the Canadian and Royal UK mint are both selling premium gold products. Some of these coins are 5 ounces or even a kilo and cost tens of thousands of dollars. >>
I agree other governments do this and sell out so it wouldn't be too large or too much gold relative to what other countries put out. Of course, the US market may be different.
Liberty coin is a chance to educate populace about what "Liberty" means.
complaining about "static images" of current designs eg commemorative coin and how early coins had wind blown hair, etc.
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new speaker talks about arts medal program will allow bring in creativity and what is possible in design and seeing it first in the arts medals would help stake holders see what is possible via the medals.
Can someone post a pic? Im just too dumb for a smartphone.
pairing of silver medal with a proof ASE would be a major home run
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new speaker
not talking of the UHR like a "series" but an opened opportunity where a coin can be produced every so often (years between)
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Artistic Medals - a program will have the freedom to express art without statutory restrictions. As for Liberty medal -- Liberty will be Liberated
Artistic Medals program a new renaissance since the first renaissance of us coinange.
cliffs notes:
UHR coin to be new design not the 2009 UHR
silver medal and gold coin to be same design
they are looking at potentially making this into a "series"
They have separate ideas about a separate artistic medal program where artists can express american ideas free of statutory requirements (although the mint would still need to vet designs)
This is to start a new era in design & artistry as suggested by Moy ca. 2007 in a Colorado Springs speech.
<< <i>JUDD 1776.
Can someone post a pic? Im just too dumb for a smartphone. >>
you can forget about re-using an old design
These will be brand new
Still excited?
In the running for the 2015 UHR reverse, but the design of the obverse and reverse are still up in the air. This phone conference was simply for approval of the idea of a 2015 UHR & silver medal -- details aside.
Originally a candidate for the 2015 US Marshalls service gold, it would be this design changed a bit:
<< <i>Thanks for sharing, MsMorrisine! >>
Call me scoop
<< <i> This phone conference was simply for approval of the idea of a 2015 UHR & silver medal -- details aside.
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So an up / down, yay / nay vote is not done by teleconference.
Was anything decided?
What's next? Designs?
Thanks for listening in to the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee at work, MsMorraine.
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<< <i> This phone conference was simply for approval of the idea of a 2015 UHR & silver medal -- details aside.
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So an up / down, yay / nay vote is not done by teleconference.
Was anything decided? >>
All CCAC were there and all voted for the idea.
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What's next? Designs?
Thanks for listening in to the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee at work, MsMorrsine. >>
What's next wasn't fully discussed but this has to be channeled through the Mint and then both the coin and medal approved by the Secretary of the Treasury. I imagine then the real work will begin.
work? me? not lately.
I had much rather have a denominated silver UHR coin than a medal.
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<< <i>Does anyone know the reasons for the difference in the law that allows the mint/treasury to produce denominated gold without congressional approval, but not silver? Could this oversight(?) be corrected?
I had much rather have a denominated silver UHR coin than a medal.
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This is in the AGE "piece", but not the ASE "piece"
(C) The Secretary may continue to mint and issue coins in accordance with the specifications contained in paragraphs (7), (8), (9), and (10) of subsection (a) and paragraph (1)(A) of this subsection at the same time the Secretary in minting and issuing other bullion and proof gold coins under this subsection in accordance with such program procedures and coin specifications, designs, varieties, quantities, denominations, and inscriptions as the Secretary, in the Secretary’s discretion, may prescribe from time to time.
here is the "piece" for the platinum coins:
(k) The Secretary may mint and issue platinum bullion coins and proof platinum coins in accordance with such specifications, designs, varieties, quantities, denominations, and inscriptions as the Secretary, in the Secretary’s discretion, may prescribe from time to time
After the conference call and reading some of the news about upcoming designs chosen by both the CFA and CCAC, I get the impression they are aware of the public criticism of the designs and are not throughly happy about them themselves.
I was hoping to leave this good news -- that they are aware -- with everyone in light of a lot of the furor going on recently.
Unfortunately, the thought popped into my head about a new uhr and new artistic medals programs that use in house artists and the artist infusion program. They have such hope for the artistic future of the programs and my question is what will they be doing differently to ensure better art? They mention statutory limitaions, but those are dates, inscriptions and mottos., plus to some extent thematic imperatives. Then there is the relief of the low relief constraint. But art is art. Some of the recent duds were not because of relief, theme nor inscriptions. What else is going to be change to heighten the art?