1883-O Morgan with textile mega toning. New better pic added

lostincoins · July 9, 2014 12:37PM

Well here is a new pick up for me. I liked the green dots that are caused by the textile contact. This coin is not juiced at all other than to put it at a slight angle for the lighting to best show the colors. The reverse is clear of toning except for some very light color starting to form on the rim so I did not image it at the moment. Let me know what you think of the coin grade, eye appeal etc and if it should carry a premium for the color. (if a premium is warranted, how much?)

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AUandAG · July 9, 2014 12:44PM

If those colors are accurate I do not believe that that coin toned naturally.

Love textile toning but those pinks/purples scream loudly of AT.

bob

PS: I'm wrong about 50% of the time on these things!

crypto79 · July 9, 2014 12:44PM

is this a joke?

lostincoins · July 9, 2014 12:52PM

No joke and even Sonny said it was NT

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coindeuce · July 9, 2014 1:22PM

The OP's image certainly makes the colors look a lot less intense than they looked in the eBay seller's images. I can't imagine why.

Definitely not a coin I would pay 3X bid for based on the actual color.

lostincoins · July 9, 2014 1:31PM

Classic third cycle color, bits of blue-green (Q) and emerald green (R) progressing to primarily "gold over green" (S) and magenta (T) on the Sunnywood color chart; definitely natural toning, look at the "pull-away" effect south side of the date numerals, and the classic textile toning on the portrait. The textile dots are always 1-2 color levels below the surrounding areas, as the "dots" are where the high points of the burlap weave contacted (and therefore protected) the coin, so that those high points toned slightly less than the surrounding areas, producing the effect of "textile dots."

Nice coin !!

P.S. you can quote this on your thread if you like.

Sunnywood

lostincoins · July 9, 2014 1:34PM

I took this pic at a slight angle with one main light source to give it as close to ambient lighting as I could with my camera hand held. I have an offer from a forum member to take some pics and may do so but again I did not juice this or post edit it.

machoponcho · July 9, 2014 1:46PM

<< Classic third cycle color, bits of blue-green (Q) and emerald green (R) progressing to primarily "gold over green" (S) and magenta (T) on the Sunnywood color chart; definitely natural toning, look at the "pull-away" effect south side of the date numerals, and the classic textile toning on the portrait. The textile dots are always 1-2 color levels below the surrounding areas, as the "dots" are where the high points of the burlap weave contacted (and therefore protected) the coin, so that those high points toned slightly less than the surrounding areas, producing the effect of "textile dots."

Nice coin !!

P.S. you can quote this on your thread if you like.

Sunnywood >>

Sunnywood, as is usual, is completely spot-on with his description of the toning on this specimen. I remember the earlier thread about this coin and I praised it in that thread as well as being worth a hefty premium. The coin is incredible with its relatively clean surfaces, blazing luster, vibrancy of color, pattern of color, covers the entire surface so there's lots of color to enjoy, and it has textile to boot. Has to be in the top 1000 nicest toned Morgans in existence. Top 1000 might sound underwhelming at first, but you have to realize just how many nicely toned Morgans are out there. This one looks MS65 and probably worth around $750 to $1000.

lostincoins · July 9, 2014 1:55PM

Here is a new pic with better lighting and some post op, it shows the textile coloring better.

Wabbit2313 · July 9, 2014 2:49PM

It is fully priced at $465 in that holder. If one of the big boys crosses it, there is more room to run.

C0inCollect0r · July 9, 2014 3:17PM

Excellent toner in my opinion - I'd guess MS65 and around $650-900.

magikbilly · July 9, 2014 3:27PM

<< You guys don't remember the thread about this coin? Seeing these pics, the pics in the auction were juiced, obviously, but it still looks decent. >>

I remembered it and John's comment about the green dots.
I thought I was going crazy with this different pic and the pattern I recalled, so thanks for the link to the other thread

Eric

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lostincoins · July 10, 2014 2:29AM

A little bump for the day crew. I am not sure if I will cross this coin, some more opinions on that would be appreciated. Also I will get someone else to take some pics maybe even 2 or 3 depending on the cost. I also need to image the reverse as there are some very neat die cracks running through the leaves and some other anomalies I am not to sure about now that I am looking at the coin more closely. Also the front is showing PL surfaces and the reverse is close so I would also need an in hand opinion on these issues. Time to start PMs to a couple of folks.

tradedollarnut · July 10, 2014 2:54AM

1) that holder adds ZERO value to the coin. Crack it

2) in a PCGS 65 holder, that looks like a $5k coin to me

3) I have no opinion off an image on the odds of that happening

originalisbest · July 10, 2014 3:00AM

<<

is this a joke? >>

Apparently, not.

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Connecticoin · July 10, 2014 3:16AM

<< 

<< 1) that holder adds ZERO value to the coin. Crack it >>

Gotta disagree, there are plenty of people who are fans of the small, white ANACS holders.

Cracking and submitting raw may be the best option for getting it into a problem-free slab at PCGS though. >>

If you cross it you will likely get a PCGS 65. If you crack and submit, 65+ shot 66.

Frankcoins · July 10, 2014 3:18AM

The roller marks on the face, even though mint made, are distracting, and I can't see this as being over a 64

lostincoins · July 10, 2014 4:45AM

I honestly do not see it going past the current grade because it is a very soft strike. I will try to get an image of the reverse posted soon for you all to view.

lostincoins · July 10, 2014 2:23PM

This will be going out for imaging in the next day or two and I will post the new pics as soon as they are back. I want the reverse imaged very good because I see some neat die cracks but more importantly I see some other very pail textile marks/spots that I need some opinions on and am hoping they can be caught.

Connecticoin · July 11, 2014 8:20PM

<< I honestly do not see it going past the current grade because it is a very soft strike. I will try to get an image of the reverse posted soon for you all to view. >>

If the reverse breast feathers are non-existent or very weak, yes. They the breast feathers are mostly there, I still think its a shot 66 (based on image, of course, and if there are no hairlines hidden by the image)

roadrunner · July 12, 2014 12:21AM

Whatever it is, it will be worth the most money in a PCGS holder. Since the color is the key on this coin it's not as critical whether it goes 64 or 65....even if 65 is better.

And like Connecticoin, I could see a 65+ or 66 grade as well. But since color is the driver, the grade in this range is probably secondary.

But you have no downside or risk either if you try the crossing route. There's always going to be some buyers who will feel this is a 65. If this were the first gen ANACS holder with gold foil hologram on the reverse then
I might leave the coin in the holder. The generations that followed that don't have the same standing.

coindeuce · July 12, 2014 5:40AM

No way PCGS grades this MS65 with the roller marks on the cheek. Automatic DQ based on the criteria for strike required of a gem designation.

CoinJunkie · July 12, 2014 6:46AM

<< No way PCGS grades this MS65 with the roller marks on the cheek. Automatic DQ based on the criteria for strike required of a gem designation. >>

You kinda have to figure the coin has been tried for a crossover once or twice already...

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lostincoins · July 13, 2014 3:06AM

This is the reverse of this coin and holder, just a quick pic.

roadrunner · July 13, 2014 3:39AM

<< No way PCGS grades this MS65 with the roller marks on the cheek. Automatic DQ based on the criteria for strike required of a gem designation. >>

I see facial roller marks on MS65/66 Barber halves all the time. Have seen them on MS67's as well. Why should they limit a Morgan's grade to MS64?? I'd be more concerned with the overall strike quality than the roller marks.
Eagle's breast might be the limiting factor. The color is still the driver of this coin's price if the photos are accurate. I don't know about this coin having been tried before on a cross. If I had run across it I'd have just cracked out
and sent in in to PCGS.

lostincoins · July 13, 2014 3:56AM

If it were not for the color I would limit this coin to a 64 myself as the reverse is soft. It also has roller marks but has some very neat die breaks. I will have to head over to Vam World and see what I can find on it.

lostincoins · July 13, 2014 4:06AM

I have a different thread running about this coin and a imaging contest please got to it if you have an interest in imaging this coin and sharing you photo skills and set up.

Connecticoin · July 14, 2014 12:58AM

Actually for an 83-O, the reverse strike is not that bad, and the obverse strike appears than average (for an 83-O). Based on photos, 65+/66 would not surprise me, 64 would.

1883-O Morgan with textile mega toning. New better pic added

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