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MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
In Long Beach today, I had the pleasure of viewing the portion of the Gene Gardner collection being sold by Heritage in a few weeks in NYC.

The most interesting thing I saw was the 1823/2 Quarter in PR 64, said to be unique in proof, and probably so. The thing that I found most interesting about it was the significant die rust between the date and the bust, which I don't recall seeing on any other pieces. Granted, and obviously, I have not seen many high grade pieces of this date.

Since I'm on the road, away from my library, the question goes out to the crowd. Do any other 23/2 quarters exhibit the same die rust? (I should mention that the die rust does not show up clearly on the Heritage images, but it's clear as day with the coin in hand.)
Andy Lustig

Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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    crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623
    I know nothing about the series but maybe a Moonlight Restike. Fun to think about the early days of the mint.
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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I know nothing about the series but maybe a Moonlight Restike. Fun to think about the early days of the mint.

    If a restrike, it was done no later than 1827, because the 1823/2 die was then turned into a 27/3/2.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
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    crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623


    << <i>I know nothing about the series but maybe a Moonlight Restike. Fun to think about the early days of the mint.

    If a restrike, it was done no later than 1827, because the 1823/2 die was then turned into a 27/3/2. >>



    Never heard of the 27/3 called 27/3/2, 27 is a crazy issue in and of its self. Maybe the 23 proof was struck in the same period as the 27 which is why they plucked that die.
    No matter that is an amazing coin, any 23/2 is special but that is the best of the best.
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    TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I know nothing about the series but maybe a Moonlight Restike. Fun to think about the early days of the mint.

    If a restrike, it was done no later than 1827, because the 1823/2 die was then turned into a 27/3/2. >>




    We have a candidate in the, "The Hardest Working Die", category!

    Begs the question: Do the 27/3/2 coins show the die rust?
    Easily distracted Type Collector
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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I know nothing about the series but maybe a Moonlight Restike. Fun to think about the early days of the mint.

    If a restrike, it was done no later than 1827, because the 1823/2 die was then turned into a 27/3/2. >>




    We have a candidate in the, "The Hardest Working Die", category!

    Begs the question: Do the 27/3/2 coins show the die rust? >>



    The re strikes sure do
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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<Begs the question: Do the 27/3/2 coins show the die rust? >>

    The re strikes sure do


    The 23/2 Proof shows relatively minor die rust.

    The 27/3/2 Originals and "Essays" do not show any die rust at all.

    The 27/3/2 Restrikes have a ton of die rust, but not the same as on the 23/2.

    Clearly, die rust was removed in 1827, some coins were made, and then the dies rusted far more substantially over the course of the next few decades or more.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
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    EastonCollectionEastonCollection Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Andy - I didn't get a chance to view the 23 quarter but the Rea book makes no mention of the die rust. Also, the Tompkins books doesnt mention that findings either. Further, the Rea book mentions that the dies were perfect, I wondered if either of them ever observed the coin in hand and noticed the die rust. Would like to see a picture of the coin showing the rusted dies. From there, it would be interesting in seeing whether any other 23 quarters have those same markings. It going to be very very difficult to do as most 23 quarters are in lower grades - good to vg. So it may take several years to conclude.
    Easton Collection

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