The lady selling the coin is Spanish and 100% believes that the coins not in holders are authentic as her husband has told her. This may be a case of the wife believing in her husbands word. This is an unfortunate situation for all involved as a seller believes the info they have is to be trusted in the utmost and those she sees as jerks are telling her the opposite. I am doing what I can to educate the both of them but a serious mistrust is there and they stated they were approached in a very unprofessional manner. Sometimes we may not realize the way we tell people that they have fake coins can be very offending and that a bit of tact and understanding is what is needed along with a lot of patients. We in the community even have big time problems talking with each other just based on a dislike of the less knowledgeable by those that are at the top of this game. Why would anyone believe what is being told to them by members here if we are contacting them in a rude, offensive and sometimes very nasty way? Statements over the internet can easily be misinterpreted in the intent of the tone of language and this is even worse for someone whose native language is not English. How about this, those that are experts send info to the seller with some pics pointing out why the coins are fake and how to tell as they may also be angry they were taken by someone but not addressing it. That would be a great way to positively promote the numismatic community we are a part of and it will show them why it is so great.
<< <i>The lady selling the coin is Spanish and 100% believes that the coins not in holders are authentic as her husband has told her. This may be a case of the wife believing in her husbands word. This is an unfortunate situation for all involved as a seller believes the info they have is to be trusted in the utmost and those she sees as jerks are telling her the opposite. I am doing what I can to educate the both of them but a serious mistrust is there and they stated they were approached in a very unprofessional manner. Sometimes we may not realize the way we tell people that they have fake coins can be very offending and that a bit of tact and understanding is what is needed along with a lot of patients. We in the community even have big time problems talking with each other just based on a dislike of the less knowledgeable by those that are at the top of this game. Why would anyone believe what is being told to them by members here if we are contacting them in a rude, offensive and sometimes very nasty way? Statements over the internet can easily be misinterpreted in the intent of the tone of language and this is even worse for someone whose native language is not English. How about this, those that are experts send info to the seller with some pics pointing out why the coins are fake and how to tell as they may also be angry they were taken by someone but not addressing it. That would be a great way to positively promote the numismatic community we are a part of and it will show them why it is so great. >>
she has a credibility problem: telling some that they've owned them for 30 years while putting in the new descriptions that they were from ebay.
it sounds more like it's "any excuse so they can sell."
perhaps they were suckered big and do not want to eat the loss.
I sent this email to them I am hoping that they will see the truth of their coins.
Dear gemstojewelry2012,
Hi it is John please look at this link and ignore the jerk comments but pay attention to what is being pointed out on the coins and a comment was made asking for them to be more considerate. thank you for your time and here is the link. Please do not get into arguments with these guys, believe it or not they are the worlds best authority on coins period. you could put out 2000 raw coins with 5 of them being fake and they will tell you whic 5 without error every time. http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=918832&STARTPAGE=2
Some just will not listen even when proof is given, the horse water thing Well I did my best to handle this in a professional, respectful way to promote our hobby in a good light and to provide the proper information to the seller but none can hear my quiet voice while all are shouting.
It is indeed correct that CCW is no more. The minions take the reports and most are simply ignored!
There is no point sending messages to Judith because she has been ordered to ignore them.
eBay thinks it can safely ignore public opinion and the Hobby Protection Act, and can be complicit in the many frauds that are and will be going on, without fear of any repercussions.
This is not just about coins and stamps, it's about everything. The EMR's have been removed everywhere!
It's obvious that this has been brewing for a long time. Although eBay has lost actions brought against it by manufacturers who took exceptions to the sale of counterfeits of their products on eBay, the extent of eBay's punishment was so derisory, that its corrupt bean counters worked out that its profits from fraud would exceed its costs as the result of any actions brought by aggrieved parties, hence this cynical destruction of Trust & Safety. Those who are unfamiliar with the history should start reading here:
The bottom line is that the US judiciary supported eBay, the US Federal authorities are spineless and probably in league with this behemoth and the French did not impose a sufficient penalty to affect eBay's behaviour.
Trust & Safety is now a meaningless phrase on eBay and as for account suspension for fraudulent activity, that is a thing of the past because "Trust & Safety" will only suspend you if you send an email to a seller telling them that their coin is a counterfeit. This is because if you are not asking for specific information, you are guilty of "email abuse". Actually, this is eBay speak for tampering with its cash flow.
This is the future, counterfeits and crooks, but you'll find the biggest assemblage of crooks in eBay's business unit in San Jose, who decimated Trust & Safety and have failed to announce the changes in the hope that most people wouldn't notice them and the complainers would go away after a while! Ask them the meaning of the words ethics and honesty, and they will look at you blankly, ask about corruption and they will offer you a seminar! I hope that someone will blow the whistle on these scammers.
<< <i>that its corrupt bean counters worked out that its profits from fraud would exceed its costs as the result of any actions brought by aggrieved parties >>
a basic formula used by many large corps. for a LONG time and from a financial standpoint is the right decision. i think though the technical aspect is "actuarial sciences."
morally speaking, well, i'll just keep it to myself as enough extreme opinions are shared by me on here.
another term that could be supplemented for "actuarial science" would be "hedge." i use it quite a bit in my various analysis. but morality is one heck of a variable and when one attempts to calculate that in, imo, more often than not, the formulas simply don't work.
for whatever good it will do, i will keep reporting vis-à-vis the current methods that i know. .
<< <i>Another fake 85cc, reported many times. Starting to get really irritated that the hobby is being dismantled by the day. >>
i agree about the irritation. one thing is for certain, the pressure is building on this cooker and it won't be able to be contained. i don't know when it will blow or what exactly the catalyst will be but the status quo is unsustainable. .
I am extremely curious to hear what others get in reply to their emails to Mr. Donahoe. I am willing to PM anyone with the reply I got as well as what I sent should anyone be interested. I would hope that our outcry, however small, will have some effect. If not, c'est la vie...
Those of you who are beginning to realise that eBay now prefers to ignore reports and make profits through the sale of counterfeits may be a little heartened to read this:
It's only a small report and riddled with inaccuracies but it's a start and it shows how willing eBay staff are to lie - and they are lies - to try to justify their shameful actions. Here is the liar:
So basically Melissa Winter is saying, the thousands of coins reported every year, effect our bottom line, so the watch program has to go and this action will then increase the bottom line for Ebay and I get a bigger bonus.
<< <i>So basically Melissa Winter is saying, the thousands of coins reported every year, effect our bottom line, so the watch program has to go and this action will then increase the bottom line for Ebay and I get a bigger bonus. >>
while i'm not saying i agree with whether she said that or not or implied it since i didn't read it, at all, i will say that you nailed my impression of the whole thing ever since i started reporting. their
lack of reciprocation of communication to me when i started to report with what i consider to be an A effort told me that most corps make money, period. i give eBay an F+ from what i can see and
tried to stay positive that there was MUCH more going on behind the scenes that what i could see (like with pcgs) but i will say that my faith is there no more in eBay regarding thwarting counterfeits
and hasn't been for a while now. all i can say is that it appears to just be more of the same. .
Comments
<< <i>The lady selling the coin is Spanish and 100% believes that the coins not in holders are authentic as her husband has told her. This may be a case of the wife believing in her husbands word. This is an unfortunate situation for all involved as a seller believes the info they have is to be trusted in the utmost and those she sees as jerks are telling her the opposite. I am doing what I can to educate the both of them but a serious mistrust is there and they stated they were approached in a very unprofessional manner. Sometimes we may not realize the way we tell people that they have fake coins can be very offending and that a bit of tact and understanding is what is needed along with a lot of patients. We in the community even have big time problems talking with each other just based on a dislike of the less knowledgeable by those that are at the top of this game. Why would anyone believe what is being told to them by members here if we are contacting them in a rude, offensive and sometimes very nasty way? Statements over the internet can easily be misinterpreted in the intent of the tone of language and this is even worse for someone whose native language is not English. How about this, those that are experts send info to the seller with some pics pointing out why the coins are fake and how to tell as they may also be angry they were taken by someone but not addressing it. That would be a great way to positively promote the numismatic community we are a part of and it will show them why it is so great. >>
she has a credibility problem: telling some that they've owned them for 30 years while putting in the new descriptions that they were from ebay.
it sounds more like it's "any excuse so they can sell."
perhaps they were suckered big and do not want to eat the loss.
<< <i>Thanks mbogoman for the details it's clear now.
Another fake to report.
85cc >>
this one is still up.
gemstojewelry has an 1892-S up now
Please bid it up. It's the only way E-Bay will shut it down.
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
Dear gemstojewelry2012,
Hi it is John please look at this link and ignore the jerk comments but pay attention to what is being pointed out on the coins and a comment was made asking for them to be more considerate.
thank you for your time and here is the link. Please do not get into arguments with these guys, believe it or not they are the worlds best authority on coins period. you could put out 2000 raw coins with 5 of them being fake and they will tell you whic 5 without error every time.
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=918832&STARTPAGE=2
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
<< <i>Looks like the 92-S went bye-bye. Working on the 85CC now. Message to Judith sent. >>
The word out is that the CCW has been disbanded.
Coins are still reportable, but the minions handle them.
There is no point sending messages to Judith because she has been ordered to ignore them.
eBay thinks it can safely ignore public opinion and the Hobby Protection Act, and can be complicit in the many frauds that are and will be going on, without fear of any repercussions.
This is not just about coins and stamps, it's about everything. The EMR's have been removed everywhere!
It's obvious that this has been brewing for a long time. Although eBay has lost actions brought against it by manufacturers who took exceptions to the sale of counterfeits of their products on eBay, the extent of eBay's punishment was so derisory, that its corrupt bean counters worked out that its profits from fraud would exceed its costs as the result of any actions brought by aggrieved parties, hence this cynical destruction of Trust & Safety. Those who are unfamiliar with the history should start reading here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiffany_Inc._v._eBay,_Inc.
The bottom line is that the US judiciary supported eBay, the US Federal authorities are spineless and probably in league with this behemoth and the French did not impose a sufficient penalty to affect eBay's behaviour.
Trust & Safety is now a meaningless phrase on eBay and as for account suspension for fraudulent activity, that is a thing of the past because "Trust & Safety" will only suspend you if you send an email to a seller telling them that their coin is a counterfeit. This is because if you are not asking for specific information, you are guilty of "email abuse". Actually, this is eBay speak for tampering with its cash flow.
This is the future, counterfeits and crooks, but you'll find the biggest assemblage of crooks in eBay's business unit in San Jose, who decimated Trust & Safety and have failed to announce the changes in the hope that most people wouldn't notice them and the complainers would go away after a while! Ask them the meaning of the words ethics and honesty, and they will look at you blankly, ask about corruption and they will offer you a seminar! I hope that someone will blow the whistle on these scammers.
<< <i>
<< <i>Thanks mbogoman for the details it's clear now.
Another fake to report.
85cc >>
this one is still up. >>
still there
<< <i>that its corrupt bean counters worked out that its profits from fraud would exceed its costs as the result of any actions brought by aggrieved parties >>
a basic formula used by many large corps. for a LONG time and from a financial standpoint is the right decision. i think though the technical aspect is "actuarial sciences."
morally speaking, well, i'll just keep it to myself as enough extreme opinions are shared by me on here.
another term that could be supplemented for "actuarial science" would be "hedge." i use it quite a bit in my various analysis. but morality is one heck of a variable and when one attempts to calculate that in, imo, more often than not, the formulas simply don't work.
for whatever good it will do, i will keep reporting vis-à-vis the current methods that i know.
.
<< <i>Reported that 85CC 3 times, WTF else do they need? >>
Made it to page 6 and the auction closed with a winner. No telling how many times I reported it.
85cc
<< <i>Another fake 85cc, reported many times. Starting to get really irritated that the hobby is being dismantled by the day. >>
i agree about the irritation. one thing is for certain, the pressure is building on this cooker and it won't be able to be contained. i don't know when it will blow or what exactly the catalyst will be but the status quo is unsustainable.
.
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
http://www.coinweek.com/treasure-2/numismatic-quick-hits-ebay-community-watch-committee-disbanded-lannin-joins-ccac-24-karat-doritos/
It's only a small report and riddled with inaccuracies but it's a start and it shows how willing eBay staff are to lie - and they are lies - to try to justify their shameful actions. Here is the liar:
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/melissa-winter/2a/6a8/a0b
<< <i>So basically Melissa Winter is saying, the thousands of coins reported every year, effect our bottom line, so the watch program has to go and this action will then increase the bottom line for Ebay and I get a bigger bonus. >>
while i'm not saying i agree with whether she said that or not or implied it since i didn't read it, at all, i will say that you nailed my impression of the whole thing ever since i started reporting. their
lack of reciprocation of communication to me when i started to report with what i consider to be an A effort told me that most corps make money, period. i give eBay an F+ from what i can see and
tried to stay positive that there was MUCH more going on behind the scenes that what i could see (like with pcgs) but i will say that my faith is there no more in eBay regarding thwarting counterfeits
and hasn't been for a while now. all i can say is that it appears to just be more of the same.
.