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A "wow" Frankie in 68
rainbowroosie
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Treat yourself and check out the 1948 Frankie in the Goldberg Sale. I used to collect Frankie's and this is about as nice as they come. Not my coin!!
"You keep your 1804 dollar and 1822 half eagle -- give me rainbow roosies in MS68."
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
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I don't care for it personally.
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I don't care for it personally. >>
Ditto, but I am glad some folks can disagree on the grade, just by the picture......I wish I were that good at it.
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I like the look but not a chance I would give it a 68.
<< <i>Funky. And not in a good way. The untoned spots give it a weird look >>
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<< <i>Funky. And not in a good way. The untoned spots give it a weird look >>
It may not be, but to me it sure looks like the coin has a huge fingerprint.
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Think of it this way.....would any of you pay MS65 money for this coin with those fingerprints?
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<< <i>All that coin has going for it is the number 68. Just not my cup of tea. >>
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PCGS Guide price is $15,000 on this. Out of my league money-wise, but the look is fantastic.
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the coin just looks pristine on my screen. perhaps the only majority point I can agree with is that I wouldn't pay that much money for it, but I'd be willing to bet that a specialist who views it in-hand will have no problem in doing so.
<< <i>Remember it's "ngc" 68! >>
THIS!
And remember, it was graded close to ten yrs ago now IIRC, during an era when NGC was pretty liberal with mega grades.
It's a nice coin but I always liked the sister coin (ms67 from same set, again, if my memory is accurate) better .
The toning being the same hues but more even on the 67 sister.
<< <i>The multiple fingerprints put this coin in the definite NO category.
Think of it this way.....would any of you pay MS65 money for this coin with those fingerprints? >>
Sold, do you own it?
And I also prefer that MS67 above
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<< <i>IMHO, this PCGS MS67 FBL coin is much better the one mentioned in the OP.
PCGS Guide price is $15,000 on this. Out of my league money-wise, but the look is fantastic.
PCGS Guide price is $15,000 on this. Out of my league money-wise, but the look is fantastic.
yes, it is a lovely coin and appears to be worthy of the grade, but with all the original-mania expressed by members of this forum I would ask the question---how original do you think it is??? I would say not very. it has the look of a coin which was removed from either the Mint Set or roll it was originally in, dipped at some point and placed in an album or after-market holder where it resided for a number of years and acquired the lovely tone. additionally, since we are being over-critical of the OP coin, what about that long contact/scratch in a prime focal area just in front of the obverse portrait?? is that so easy to overlook given the rest of the coin's appearance??
I will say this about the OP coin, the tone makes it difficult to discern what the true surface condition might be; that isn't the case with the second coin. they both appear to have the same trivial unstruck planchet flaws on the Bell. I guess it all comes down to which type of tone we each prefer. I think that the answer for that is more than likely the second coin, it is easier to look at and gives a more pleasant initial reaction. what causes the negative responses could possibly be as simple as the exhorbitant price, but that is always a consideration. I would ask if the 67 is really worth $15k?? thinking about it in terms of price escalation from one grade to the next the OP coin would seem like a bargain, only twice the lower graded coin. what is the price of a 66FBL and how many times that is the 67??
I can say this about both coins just by viewing the pictures-----if I was able to afford them and collected the series I would not be embarrassed to own either one and they would both be showcase pieces to start the series off with.
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I don't care for it personally. >>
Ditto, but I am glad some folks can disagree on the grade, just by the picture......I wish I were that good at it.
Lol, Ron! I was just going to say the same thing.
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<< <i>the OP's coin looks about as "original" as a Mint Set toned Franklin can get. perhaps some of the negative opinions are the result of the splotchy color being magnified by the huge picture, it makes it difficult to discern between what appear to be marks on the coin and interruptions in the tone; the areas which are untoned and brilliant lead me to believe that the surfaces are pristine. while I feel a little weird agreeing with a recent Hot-Topic, this comes across to me as the sort of thing Laura was railing against, online collectors insisting they can grade a coin by a picture. I have been vocal about that in the past but there's no use in beating the drum. I have also been vocal in the past about the tendency for NGC to grade higher than PCGS, but I would presume that on a coin such as this that a grade this high wasn't given without careful consideration.
the coin just looks pristine on my screen. perhaps the only majority point I can agree with is that I wouldn't pay that much money for it, but I'd be willing to bet that a specialist who views it in-hand will have no problem in doing so. >>
The concern noted is less about marks (i.e. hits) and more about prints and eye appeal.
<< <i>I would have to see it in hand but it looks like there are several marks on the right side of the bell. I have to ask why Erik's coin is only a 66. It sure looks clean for the grade. >>
I would think the scratch in the obvious field under the Y
would preclude a higher grade on the PCGS coin
I saw the OP coin years ago when it resided in an NGC 67 holder. Gorgeous coin and I recall giving it a 66+ grade. OK, so now it is a 68.
It's been over twelve years since I spent a lot of my collecting efforts on Frankies. Over the last six months I got the itch again. Started looking at Frankies in dealer cases again, previewed auction coins, etc. The first thought that struck me is that gradeflation has marched on with Frankies. I note that the 67 populations have healthily expanded . Years ago the 66 grade seemed to be the glass ceiling and it had to be a rare bird indeed to garner a 67 (save the 58 and 58-D). That was just the way it was. Seems not so much anymore. I'm still trying to figure out what the TPGs are looking for nowadays to give out the once magical 67 grade.
This is the nicest 1948 that I have ever seen.
I would not presume to second-guess the graders at NGC, who have held this coin in hand and were undoubtedly impressed.
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<< <i>I saw the OP coin years ago when it resided in an NGC 67 holder. Gorgeous coin and I recall giving it a 66+ grade. OK, so now it is a 68.
It's been over twelve years since I spent a lot of my collecting efforts on Frankies. Over the last six months I got the itch again. Started looking at Frankies in dealer cases again, previewed auction coins, etc. The first thought that struck me is that gradeflation has marched on with Frankies. I note that the 67 populations have healthily expanded . Years ago the 66 grade seemed to be the glass ceiling and it had to be a rare bird indeed to garner a 67 (save the 58 and 58-D). That was just the way it was. Seems not so much anymore. I'm still trying to figure out what the TPGs are looking for nowadays to give out the once magical 67 grade.
This is the nicest 1948 that I have ever seen. >>
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I was hoping you'd show up on this thread. Since you and the Lewis boys became scarce in these parts the monster Franklin posts have been sparse and sorely missed.
For the rest of the board, I estimate that Ronyahski currently holds the finest looking set of Franklins in existence, IMHO of course and many board members could muster a strong challenge. You know what I think of your 48, that coin is a killer. PCGS will not hold the grade back due to the Mahogany color like they did ten years ago, IMHO again. Let's talk offline
The coin is much nicer in hand that the photos show. That said, the photos of the coin are excellent, but they fail to capture the full in hand look of this one. It is a monster coin. The luster is just off the charts and the coin probably has a much luster as a Franklin half could have. I can't imagine an example with more flash. The colors are also very vibrant in hand and really stand out even more than they do in the photos which surprised me. I guess when I see a grade like MS68* and the catalog description saying that this is the best coin with none finer at NGC, I expect perfection. Sure, the toning does have breaks/fingerprint, but I really didn't find that too distracting in hand... the overall flash of the coin and bright colors really do grab your eye much more. But I was bothered by the decent size hit on the top of Franklin's head just under the B of LIBERTY as well as a significant hit on the right hand side of the bell on the reverse just above the lower bell lines. There were also several small hits in the upper part of the reverse that I just didn't think should be there on the best of the best. Was a fun coin to look at, but even at the reserve price it's way out of my price range for a Franklin half.
I snapped a couple of quick shots with my camera phone, but they didn't come out too well:
Will be interesting to see what it sells for...
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the estimated price is insane imho
i also think that pcgs would drop this 2 grades to 66
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<< <i>Although I have zero interest in purchasing this coin, I did check it out today during lot viewing at Goldbergs.
The coin is much nicer in hand that the photos show. That said, the photos of the coin are excellent, but they fail to capture the full in hand look of this one. It is a monster coin. The luster is just off the charts and the coin probably has a much luster as a Franklin half could have. I can't imagine an example with more flash. The colors are also very vibrant in hand and really stand out even more than they do in the photos which surprised me. I guess when I see a grade like MS68* and the catalog description saying that this is the best coin with none finer at NGC, I expect perfection. Sure, the toning does have breaks/fingerprint, but I really didn't find that too distracting in hand... the overall flash of the coin and bright colors really do grab your eye much more. But I was bothered by the decent size hit on the top of Franklin's head just under the B of LIBERTY as well as a significant hit on the right hand side of the bell on the reverse just above the lower bell lines. There were also several small hits in the upper part of the reverse that I just didn't think should be there on the best of the best. Was a fun coin to look at, but even at the reserve price it's way out of my price range for a Franklin half.
I snapped a couple of quick shots with my camera phone, but they didn't come out too well:
Will be interesting to see what it sells for...
Spot on comments, thank you. You really have to see this coin in hand to appreciate it. It is gorgeous.
Is it worth $25k? No. illini420 aptly points out why.
But to say it is a hideous and fingerprinted coin worth a few hundred bucks, well that is just silly. Seems that the Franklin bashers outweigh the Franklin afficiandos on these boards nowadays. This coin is condition census and deserves more respect.
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<< <i>I've held it in my hands. It's a pretty coin, but I wouldn't pay that much money for it >>
No kidding and without gloves I see
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this is a very astute observation and very, very accurate, especially bad the more Modern a design becomes. I have an opinion about what prompts it that I'll keep to myself.