PCGS XF40 1922-D Weak D Lincoln Cent

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braddick
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1922-D Weak D LINK


I came upon the above auction- always interested with this variety- and was somewhat taken aback by the grade vs the coin's overall wear. I know the 1922 NO D varieties easily have either a weak strike or are struck
from worn dies, but this Lincoln caught me off guard.

Enlarge the reverse photos and tell me, is this a clerical error or am I too conservative in grading these?

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  • ArizonaJack
    ArizonaJack Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭
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    I stay away from all but strong reverse. I cannot wrap my head around grading a pile of mush as XF-40
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  • lostincoins
    lostincoins Posts: 4,278 ✭
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    This one to me is not an xf40 it is very beat up but the mushy back is normal especially on a late die state. Price is also to high in my opinion for what is a die 3 no d weak d.
  • VanHalen
    VanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    XF40 is generous but not by much. It looks like a solid choice very fine to me, for this particular issue of course.
  • drwstr123
    drwstr123 Posts: 7,053 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Ya really must see one that's uncirculated, then grade down.
  • PerryHall
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    << <i>I stay away from all but strong reverse. I cannot wrap my head around grading a pile of mush as XF-40 >>



    Agree. There is only one real no D 1922 cent made with one die pair. Most cent collector have little or no interest in these so called weak D varieties. I would like to hear Rick and Charmy's thoughts on this.

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  • lostincoins
    lostincoins Posts: 4,278 ✭
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    It is the combination of scratches and dings on the rim that make me feel this is graded to high.
  • Steve27
    Steve27 Posts: 13,284 ✭✭✭
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    I always heard these were graded by looking at the reverse; thus, I laughed when I saw it.

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  • UncleJoe
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    << <i>I always heard these were graded by looking at the reverse; thus, I laughed when I saw it. >>



    The No D strong reverse is graded by the reverse, not the Weak D weak reverse.

    Joe.
  • lostincoins
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    Hey Uncle Joe that is correct but they do look at reverses to determine die pairing and to determine overall condition. I have a much nicer one in the raw that I will post some pics later this morning for a comparison.
  • 291fifth
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    I would never buy that coin as an XF40. In fact, I would never buy that coin at all.
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  • Treashunt
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    << <i>I stay away from all but strong reverse. I cannot wrap my head around grading a pile of mush as XF-40 >>




    agreed
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  • rhedden
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    I have always been a fan of grading a circulated coin based on the amount of detail that is present, regardless of how well struck or poorly struck the coin was when it left the mint. I grade this one AG-03.

    I guess my system of grading without considering strike gets into trouble when one finds a blazing Unc. 1891-O Morgan Dollar that has the mushy details of F-12 due to the strike. I say this type of coin is "MS60" regardless of how beautiful the surfaces are. Once it gets a little circulation wear on it, it drops straight to F-12, regardless of luster. PCGS does not grade weakly struck coins the same way I do!

    The coin linked by the OP also makes me wonder if the new gradient holders represent a demotion of grading standards to NGC-like levels. I hope not.



  • braddick
    braddick Posts: 25,185 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    << <i>

    << <i>I always heard these were graded by looking at the reverse; thus, I laughed when I saw it. >>



    The No D strong reverse is graded by the reverse, not the Weak D weak reverse.

    Joe. >>



    This is how I've always come to understand it.
    Also- check out the reverse of many PCGS VG08's with the WEAK D variety and some look stronger than this XF40.
  • drwstr123
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    Just curious, what grade would you attribute to this?...
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  • Browe
    Browe Posts: 236 ✭✭✭
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    Not much actual wear on the piece that I can see, with some original luster could be MS62BN. But these varieties are notorious for a wide range of grades, and as far as the original poster. I agree XF40 for that is very generous in my personal opinion.
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  • lostincoins
    lostincoins Posts: 4,278 ✭
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    drwstr123 I would go ms60 or better as yours has much less wear,scratches and dings that the OPs.
  • drwstr123
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  • Browe
    Browe Posts: 236 ✭✭✭
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    Darn 1 grade off, wonderful piece though. I think many people steer away from these varieties for one reason or another. I find them fascinating, and relevant to when I'm willing to spend the time and money to find higher grade examples.
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  • drwstr123
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    << <i>Darn 1 grade off, wonderful piece though. I think many people steer away from these varieties for one reason or another. I find them fascinating, and relevant to when I'm willing to spend the time and money to find higher grade examples. >>



    I purchased this coin as a PCGS 1922 D MS63 and resubmitted it as weak D.
    It is a solid 63 even as a '22 D.
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