I'm not a coin dealer & I don't make my living on eBay. With that said, when I do sell something, I will not charge more than actual cost for shipping. I get the boxes at the post office for free, I pack with newspaper, I wrap the items in ziplock or vacuum seal bags..... And I don't sweat the 32¢ for the gasoline to get to the post office.
Or I ship for free if I expect to make a somewhat larger profit on something.
I have found from listing identical items, some for actual cost shipping and some for free, the identical item listed with free shipping always gets higher winning bids.
If you left him a one or a two on his DSR for shipping cost when he stated it in the auction, I can see why he blew a gasket. For all you know, he may pay hired help to do his shipping.
I would say there is a 50/50 chance he looses money on shipping overall. He also needs to revamp his eBay format and dump the 99cent starts and needs to include shipping. On this auction he should have started it at $6.24.
Best of luck on your own DSR rating if he uses a buddy buyer to retaliate.
Could be worse, I just had a seller use sig conformation on a 15$ used lot of scooby doo DVDs. Now I have to make it to the post office during business hours because I missed it.
<< <i>Could be worse, I just had a seller use sig conformation on a 15$ used lot of scooby doo DVDs. Now I have to make it to the post office during business hours because I missed it. >>
If it is listed as such, and you buy it anyway, it is chicken-$hit that you snag his rating. I finally got so sick of whiners like you and had to start giving away shipping for free, even though my fees were never more than actual shipping costs and the preponderance of the Web charges much more dearly than this!
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Wow, a lot of energy expended here over $5 and change. The quality of the packaging is irrelevant as long as the coin arrived safely. The price of shipping is also irrelevant since it should have been factored into whatever you decided to bid. Docking more than a single star is bad form. All in all, you gained some experience and didn't dwell on the negative, so I'd say that was a satisfactory outcome to an unpleasant episode.
<< <i>Stone, what do you think would have been a fair shipping charge? >>
Stone has left the building....
Stone is one of the class members here. Never met him though we share the same town and it will be an honor when we do.
Had he left less than a stellar feedback on Amazon. No one would care. Ebay on the other hand has become a religion here as many of us have bought and sold on the site. Sadly Ebay will use any feedback nick to hammer sellers. That is an Ebay problem, not a Stone problem.
<< <i>If it is listed as such, and you buy it anyway, it is chicken-$hit that you snag his rating. I finally got so sick of whiners like you and had to start giving away shipping for free, even though my fees were never more than actual shipping costs and the preponderance of the Web charges much more dearly than this! >>
Right there with you my brother. If it's clearly listed then they have no room to complain. It's not our fault the buyer either can't read, thinks he's not obligated to follow the seller's terms or can't do something as simple as ask a question or two. I hear you about free shipping; that's all we do anymore. When we did charge, we only charged actual cost but even then, there was always some nimrod who didn't like Priority and wanted it shipped via first class (but would then bombard us with messages wondering where it was), or someone who didn't want to wait for Registered on a valuable shipment, didn't like USPS so they wanted UPS/FedEx/Bob's shipping service/ yada yada... we got tired of fighting the battle so we just took them out of the equation by doing free shipping. You're almost forced to ship free anyway or have your listings buried in search results.
Also I feel constrained to point out that OP:
a) *got the item safely* b) got a heck of a deal for a silver ancient.
Those two points seem to have gotten lost in the shuffle.
Seriously bashing the OP here. Not the OP's fault he auctioned a coin and it ended cheap. Not the OP's fault the Seller thinks Fast and Professional shipping means an envelope and stamps...When has that ever been deemed professional because if it is maybe I'll start throwing crap in an envelope with a stamp...then as long as it makes it tough crap what I charge for shipping as I'm making up the difference from money lost on cheap bidders.
Looks to me like the sellers a cheap azz and for an extra 80 cents could have used a bubble mailer 1st class with delivery confirmation.
as long as it arrived safe and sound and the cost of shipping was clearly noted, how would it have been different if it were wrapped in bubble wrap, box in a box, with a ribbon?
<< <i>One is professional, one is intended for a letter not a coin...Maybe you'd throw a lamp in an envelope too? >>
How much professional does one receive for $13 including shipping. Cost the seller at least $2.50 for fees and postage. Wise seller have reluctantly switched to "free" shipping to avoid this type of grief. Of course that in no way condones the sellers derogatory remarks.
Maybe so but I'd throw a flag for piling on. Buyer paid for professional shipping and seller Shouldn't get an offset because it sold cheap or praise because it arrived. Find one seller that states they ship In a plain white envelope with stamps and Id bet theres 100 more that would instead state shipping is fast and professional...
<< <i>Stone, what do you think would have been a fair shipping charge? >>
I did leave the building but haven't forgotten about this thread - starting a week long Memorial Day vacation!
From what I received anything more than $2-2.50 is pushing it in terms of fair shipping cost. You can factor in going to the post office with other daily errands you run. Packing materials can be free or minimal if you save packing supplies you receive from other things you order, etc, etc.
I'm not saying this happens every time but it is what I do and saves me time and $$$.
I didn't want to dwell on anything more from this thread, but I did receive this item 3 business days after the expected date of receipt - although other factors could have been involved here other than the seller, so this last point is fairly mute.
All in all I've said all I needed for this thread. Feel free to have it carry on if this is a good talking point and debate to have here on the message boards. Enjoy your holiday everyone
<< <i> To give a low rating on ebay cause great financial damage to the seller over something which he disclosed prior to your bidding. >>
So let the professional flipper get a real job if his inflated shipping ends up causing him "great financial damage". Sure the shipping costs were disclosed beforehand, but ratings are the buyers own subjective opinion of how fair the shipping charges were. By leaving a bad rating for shipping charges, he is simply stating his opinion that the shipping charges were too high. That is an opinion he is allowed to have even if the charges were disclosed before hand. I often hear you guys complaining about EBAY fees even though EBAY fully discloses those fees beforehand. You are still allowed to have an opinion that they are too high.
If open bid, seller has no idea of what final price will be so seller has no idea if $5.25 will even cover shipping and materials. But, even for a BIN, everything appears fully disclosed. Hence, Seller deserves five stars for shipping in my opinion under the circumstances. Also, under ebay rules, it is a "shipping and handling" fee not simply postage and materials.
As always, just my two cents.
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I usually don't worry about anything as long as the coin arrives safely. I have received and empty envelope before with a hole in it. Luckily not an expensive nor rare coin. The seller sent another. The second one was packaged better. Even if I offer free shipping or charge for shipping, and even if it cost more than I charged, I always pack secure and with trkg number. Better safe than sorry!
<< <i>If open bid, seller has no idea of what final price will be so seller has no idea if $5.25 will even cover shipping and materials. But, even for a BIN, everything appears fully disclosed. Hence, Seller deserves five stars for shipping in my opinion under the circumstances. Also, under ebay rules, it is a "shipping and handling" fee not simply postage and materials.
As always, just my two cents.
Wondercoin >>
Very good point. If coin sold for $100, seller would either pay or book a couple bucks for insurance.
Hey in a previous post I placed a link to the sale of this coin from the OP. You can go to the sale then look at the feedback left by other buyers, that feedback on over 50 of them I read stated shipping was fast and professional. I would love to see the original packaging for this coin, I have recieved coins in a plain envelope before that were well packed and also did not draw attention to the coin therein. To me that is better than a bubble mailer that screams look at me I am special..... What a wonderful argument this thread has been lol...
<< <i>as long as it arrived safe and sound and the cost of shipping was clearly noted, how would it have been different if it were wrapped in bubble wrap, box in a box, with a ribbon?
<< <i>Hey in a previous post I placed a link to the sale of this coin from the OP. You can go to the sale then look at the feedback left by other buyers, that feedback on over 50 of them I read stated shipping was fast and professional. I would love to see the original packaging for this coin, I have recieved coins in a plain envelope before that were well packed and also did not draw attention to the coin therein. To me that is better than a bubble mailer that screams look at me I am special..... What a wonderful argument this thread has been lol... >>
Yes, but that's becuase the seller couldn't fit the 65ML RENAISSANCE WAX container in a envelope.
If I got this right you're now an advocate for shipping coins in envelopes with stamps as it doesn't draw attention to the package
<< <i>Hey in a previous post I placed a link to the sale of this coin from the OP. You can go to the sale then look at the feedback left by other buyers, that feedback on over 50 of them I read stated shipping was fast and professional. I would love to see the original packaging for this coin, I have recieved coins in a plain envelope before that were well packed and also did not draw attention to the coin therein. To me that is better than a bubble mailer that screams look at me I am special..... What a wonderful argument this thread has been lol... >>
Yes, but that's becuase the seller couldn't fit the 65ML RENAISSANCE WAX container in a envelope.
If I got this right you're now an advocate for shipping coins in envelopes with stamps as it doesn't draw attention to the package >>
There is nothing wrong with some coins in a stamped envelope. I shipped a silver drachma to Greece that way for 3$ and the buyer had it in 6 days. The alternative is to pay $20 for priority international and it takes 3 weeks.
A single coin in a cardboard flip is very safe in an envelope.
Every one of the posters within this thread would surely NOT give the seller a 5 star rating for "Shipping and Handling Charges" had they paid $5.25 for shipping only to receive a coin in a make-shift 2x2 with a single postage stamp on a standard business envelope.
At the very minimum, I would expect a padded mailer with a postal system generated label. Minimum for $5.25
And its not at all about whether or not Stone knew that shipping costs that would be charged.............it was about how the coin was actually shipped.
It would be no different than of a buyer agreed to pay $19.95 for shipping only to receive the coin in a stamped envelope. All of you would be ticked.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
Ebay regs clearly state that the seller is entitled to a reasonable handling charge.
If the seller wants to underpack and risk damage or potential loss, that's his problem, not the buyer's, as he (the seller) is responsible for getting it there safely. Speaking of which, OP indeed got the coin safely, something that's been conveniently glossed over... so I guess I'm failing to see the heinous transgression here. Buyer agreed to shipping cost, seller took responsibility for it getting there, and it got there. End of story.
Would I have done it the same way had I been the seller? No, but I wasn't the seller here. If anything I overpack things because I can't stand hearing something moving about in a package... but that said, it's not my place to tell another seller how to ship, so long as the item gets there undamaged.
Frankly I don't know why there's a "shipping charges" star anyway since there is tacit approval of said charges when the buyer agrees to bid on or buy the item.
<< <i>Every one of the posters within this thread would surely NOT give the seller a 5 star rating for "Shipping and Handling Charges" had they paid $5.25 for shipping only to receive a coin in a make-shift 2x2 with a single postage stamp on a standard business envelope.
At the very minimum, I would expect a padded mailer with a postal system generated label. Minimum for $5.25
And its not at all about whether or not Stone knew that shipping costs that would be charged.............it was about how the coin was actually shipped.
It would be no different than of a buyer agreed to pay $19.95 for shipping only to receive the coin in a stamped envelope. All of you would be ticked. >>
<< <i>Ebay regs clearly state that the seller is entitled to a reasonable handling charge.
If the seller wants to underpack and risk damage or potential loss, that's his problem, not the buyer's, as he (the seller) is responsible for getting it there safely. Speaking of which, OP indeed got the coin safely, something that's been conveniently glossed over... so I guess I'm failing to see the heinous transgression here. Buyer agreed to shipping cost, seller took responsibility for it getting there, and it got there. End of story.
Would I have done it the same way had I been the seller? No, but I wasn't the seller here. If anything I overpack things because I can't stand hearing something moving about in a package... but that said, it's not my place to tell another seller how to ship, so long as the item gets there undamaged.
Frankly I don't know why there's a "shipping charges" star anyway since there is tacit approval of said charges when the buyer agrees to bid on or buy the item. >>
Try to remember back when folks were circumventing the eBay Final Value System by selling coin's for .99 cents with a $24.95 or worse yet, $69.95 shipping "and handling" charge.
It's one reason that the DSR Stars were enacted and its the primary reason that eBay began charging Final Value Fee's on shipping.
While a good percentage of sellers are stand up and honest folks, there's always the little faction of "beat the system" folks that much it up for everybody else!
And of course, this all falls back into the "charge x amount for shipping" but then throw it in an envelope to increase the sales profits. Not that I mind folks making a profit................it's "how" they make that profit.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
Casman as for condoning a coin shipped in an envelope with a stamp on them, I am fine with it as long as it is well packed inside. I have probably received well over 300 coins in a plain white envelope over the years and most have been in a 2x2 then wrapped in high density cardboard then in white paper. The coin has always arrived with no issues and also does not draw attention to it. I have also received many bubble mailers and I would say that about 50% have been dented, folded, bent or squished in some way but the coin itself was packaged in side the same way. I have even had some of the bubble mailers with an inspection stamp on them but never the white envelope. Now when I bid on an item I only do so if I agree with all terms of the sale which includes the charges for shipping and handling, if I do not agree I contact the seller to change the terms. I just recently sent an item out and the label stated 47.00 for shipping but I charged 75.00 on the sale, would you give me one star for shipping because of this? I had to make a custom size box which cost 10.00, I had to build a secure high density foam interior for the box to hold the item and just the foam was 9.00 as just bubble wrap would not work, I had to use 5 high hold hot glue gun glue sticks at 1.20 each, 2.00 worth of bubble wrap to protect uneven surface and other costs such as gas for transport to fedex, paper cost, ink cost, the 45minutes to drive to and from the store for supplies, 20 min drive to and from drop of center, 1 hour to package the item etc etc etc......
If you buy an item for 20.00 including shipping, and you buy the same item for 15.00 + 5.00 for shipping do you whack both sellers or only the one who posted a shipping cost?
Again as it goes I would prefer a coin be delivered to me in the most nondescript way as that helps insure that it will not stand out from other mail. I am sure other fell the same way but I could be delusional about that, we might as well just write on the outside of the envelope what is in it what its value is and if it is insured (that is why the P.O. only puts shipping cost and not all fees so it is better protected)!
you said: I just recently sent an item out and the label stated 47.00 for shipping but I charged 75.00 on the sale, would you give me one star for shipping because of this? I had to make a custom size box which cost 10.00, I had to build a secure high density foam interior for the box to hold the item and just the foam was 9.00 as just bubble wrap would not work, I had to use 5 high hold hot glue gun glue sticks at 1.20 each, 2.00 worth of bubble wrap to protect uneven surface and other costs such as gas for transport to fedex, paper cost, ink cost, the 45minutes to drive to and from the store for supplies, 20 min drive to and from drop of center, 1 hour to package the item etc etc etc......
My point exactly, now jam the toaster you sold in an envelope for 50 cents and charge $47...and don't forget, call yourself a professional...
Actually it was a very nice vintage Allen & Heath GL3 Series 32 channel sound board in full working order. These boards to this day are fantastic and produce a great sound for live recordings, live performance or studio work. No toasters here but I did see one at an antique shop the other day from the 50s with the ceramic coating in perfect shape.
<< <i>Actually it was a very nice vintage Allen & Heath GL3 Series 32 channel sound board in full working order. These boards to this day are fantastic and produce a great sound for live recordings, live performance or studio work. No toasters here but I did see one at an antique shop the other day from the 50s with the ceramic coating in perfect shape. >>
Sounds nice and I'd give you 5 stars for shipping...if I could get the box open
One very important thing to remember..Stone is, as he said getting a little vacay and tipping back a cold one or two....probably with one or more of those smokin ladies in his icon
Probably just winding up the riffraff for fun, right from the get go.
<< <i>Every one of the posters within this thread would surely NOT give the seller a 5 star rating for "Shipping and Handling Charges" had they paid $5.25 for shipping only to receive a coin in a make-shift 2x2 with a single postage stamp on a standard business envelope. >>
BS! I have, and I would if I went into it knowingly.... particularly knowing how eBay is. If I felt the coin was packaged adequately for the type (ie....in 2x2 or plastic) and the price, I factor it into the bid. May not be ecstatic, but if it arrived ok, I haven't kibbitzed know would I
<< <i>Every one of the posters within this thread would surely NOT give the seller a 5 star rating for "Shipping and Handling Charges" had they paid $5.25 for shipping only to receive a coin in a make-shift 2x2 with a single postage stamp on a standard business envelope. >>
BS! I have, and I would if I went into it knowingly.... particularly knowing how eBay is. If I felt the coin was packaged adequately for the type (ie....in 2x2 or plastic) and the price, I factor it into the bid. May not be ecstatic, but if it arrived ok, I haven't kibbitzed know would I >>
Agree. Any regular Ebay buyer fairly automatically hits the 5 stars in each category unless there is a real problem. At that point protocal is to contact the seller and resolve the issue before leaving feedback.
Did the shipment in question also have delivery confirmation? Most sellers that use the first class letter method forget they need to purchase the delivery confirmation to maintain seller protection.
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the post office for free, I pack with newspaper, I wrap the items in ziplock or vacuum seal bags..... And I don't sweat the 32¢ for the gasoline to get to the post office.
Or I ship for free if I expect to make a somewhat larger profit on something.
I have found from listing identical items, some for actual cost shipping and some for free, the identical item listed with free shipping always gets higher winning bids.
If you left him a one or a two on his DSR for shipping cost when he stated it in the auction, I can see why he blew a gasket. For all you know, he may pay hired help to do his shipping.
I would say there is a 50/50 chance he looses money on shipping overall. He also needs to revamp his eBay format and dump the 99cent starts and needs to include shipping. On this auction he should have started it at $6.24.
Best of luck on your own DSR rating if he uses a buddy buyer to retaliate.
<< <i>Could be worse, I just had a seller use sig conformation on a 15$ used lot of scooby doo DVDs. Now I have to make it to the post office during business hours because I missed it. >>
I have been dogged by the same situation.
as long as the coin arrived safely. The price of shipping is also irrelevant since it should have been
factored into whatever you decided to bid. Docking more than a single star is bad form. All in all,
you gained some experience and didn't dwell on the negative, so I'd say that was a satisfactory
outcome to an unpleasant episode.
<< <i>Stone, what do you think would have been a fair shipping charge? >>
Stone has left the building....
Stone is one of the class members here. Never met him though we share the same town and it will be an honor when we do.
Had he left less than a stellar feedback on Amazon. No one would care. Ebay on the other hand has become a religion here as many of us have bought and sold on the site. Sadly Ebay will use any feedback nick to hammer sellers. That is an Ebay problem, not a Stone problem.
<< <i>If it is listed as such, and you buy it anyway, it is chicken-$hit that you snag his rating. I finally got so sick of whiners like you and had to start giving away shipping for free, even though my fees were never more than actual shipping costs and the preponderance of the Web charges much more dearly than this! >>
Right there with you my brother. If it's clearly listed then they have no room to complain. It's not our fault the buyer either can't read, thinks he's not obligated to follow the seller's terms or can't do something as simple as ask a question or two. I hear you about free shipping; that's all we do anymore. When we did charge, we only charged actual cost but even then, there was always some nimrod who didn't like Priority and wanted it shipped via first class (but would then bombard us with messages wondering where it was), or someone who didn't want to wait for Registered on a valuable shipment, didn't like USPS so they wanted UPS/FedEx/Bob's shipping service/ yada yada... we got tired of fighting the battle so we just took them out of the equation by doing free shipping. You're almost forced to ship free anyway or have your listings buried in search results.
Also I feel constrained to point out that OP:
a) *got the item safely*
b) got a heck of a deal for a silver ancient.
Those two points seem to have gotten lost in the shuffle.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
Looks to me like the sellers a cheap azz and for an extra 80 cents could have used a bubble mailer 1st class with delivery confirmation.
how would it have been different if it were wrapped in bubble wrap, box in a box, with a ribbon?
LOL
<< <i>One is professional, one is intended for a letter not a coin...Maybe you'd throw a lamp in an envelope too? >>
How much professional does one receive for $13 including shipping. Cost the seller at least $2.50 for fees and postage. Wise seller have reluctantly switched to "free" shipping to avoid this type of grief. Of course that in no way condones the sellers derogatory remarks.
Shouldn't get an offset because it sold cheap or praise because it arrived. Find one seller that states they ship
In a plain white envelope with stamps and Id bet theres 100 more that would instead state shipping is fast and professional...
<< <i>Stone, what do you think would have been a fair shipping charge? >>
I did leave the building but haven't forgotten about this thread - starting a week long Memorial Day vacation!
From what I received anything more than $2-2.50 is pushing it in terms of fair shipping cost.
You can factor in going to the post office with other daily errands you run. Packing materials
can be free or minimal if you save packing supplies you receive from other things you order, etc, etc.
I'm not saying this happens every time but it is what I do and saves me time and $$$.
I didn't want to dwell on anything more from this thread, but I did receive this item 3 business days after the expected date of receipt - although other factors could have been involved here other than the seller, so this last point is fairly mute.
All in all I've said all I needed for this thread. Feel free to have it carry on if this is a good talking point and debate to have here on the message boards. Enjoy your holiday everyone
If it is worth, say, $100, I give the seller 5 stars across the board and hope he lists more opportunities to rip me off on shipping.
<< <i>What was the coin worth? It's an ancient silver coin that cost a total of $12.50.
If it is worth, say, $100, I give the seller 5 stars across the board and hope he lists more opportunities to rip me off on shipping. >>
<< <i>
To give a low rating on ebay cause great financial damage to the seller over something which he disclosed prior to your bidding. >>
So let the professional flipper get a real job if his inflated shipping ends up causing him "great financial damage". Sure the shipping costs were disclosed beforehand, but ratings are the buyers own subjective opinion of how fair the shipping charges were. By leaving a bad rating for shipping charges, he is simply stating his opinion that the shipping charges were too high. That is an opinion he is allowed to have even if the charges were disclosed before hand. I often hear you guys complaining about EBAY fees even though EBAY fully discloses those fees beforehand. You are still allowed to have an opinion that they are too high.
As always, just my two cents.
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<< <i>If open bid, seller has no idea of what final price will be so seller has no idea if $5.25 will even cover shipping and materials. But, even for a BIN, everything appears fully disclosed. Hence, Seller deserves five stars for shipping in my opinion under the circumstances. Also, under ebay rules, it is a "shipping and handling" fee not simply postage and materials.
As always, just my two cents.
Wondercoin >>
Very good point. If coin sold for $100, seller would either pay or book a couple bucks for insurance.
<< <i>
<< <i>Stone, what do you think would have been a fair shipping charge?
From what I received anything more than $2-2.50 is pushing it in terms of fair shipping cost. >>
That's what I was thinking...
<< <i>as long as it arrived safe and sound and the cost of shipping was clearly noted,
how would it have been different if it were wrapped in bubble wrap, box in a box, with a ribbon?
LOL >>
<< <i>Hey in a previous post I placed a link to the sale of this coin from the OP. You can go to the sale then look at the feedback left by other buyers, that feedback on over 50 of them I read stated shipping was fast and professional. I would love to see the original packaging for this coin, I have recieved coins in a plain envelope before that were well packed and also did not draw attention to the coin therein. To me that is better than a bubble mailer that screams look at me I am special..... What a wonderful argument this thread has been lol... >>
Yes, but that's becuase the seller couldn't fit the 65ML RENAISSANCE WAX container in a envelope.
If I got this right you're now an advocate for shipping coins in envelopes with stamps as it doesn't draw attention to the package
<< <i>
<< <i>Hey in a previous post I placed a link to the sale of this coin from the OP. You can go to the sale then look at the feedback left by other buyers, that feedback on over 50 of them I read stated shipping was fast and professional. I would love to see the original packaging for this coin, I have recieved coins in a plain envelope before that were well packed and also did not draw attention to the coin therein. To me that is better than a bubble mailer that screams look at me I am special..... What a wonderful argument this thread has been lol... >>
Yes, but that's becuase the seller couldn't fit the 65ML RENAISSANCE WAX container in a envelope.
If I got this right you're now an advocate for shipping coins in envelopes with stamps as it doesn't draw attention to the package
There is nothing wrong with some coins in a stamped envelope. I shipped a silver drachma to Greece that way for 3$ and the buyer had it in 6 days. The alternative is to pay $20 for priority international and it takes 3 weeks.
A single coin in a cardboard flip is very safe in an envelope.
At the very minimum, I would expect a padded mailer with a postal system generated label. Minimum for $5.25
And its not at all about whether or not Stone knew that shipping costs that would be charged.............it was about how the coin was actually shipped.
It would be no different than of a buyer agreed to pay $19.95 for shipping only to receive the coin in a stamped envelope. All of you would be ticked.
The name is LEE!
If the seller wants to underpack and risk damage or potential loss, that's his problem, not the buyer's, as he (the seller) is responsible for getting it there safely. Speaking of which, OP indeed got the coin safely, something that's been conveniently glossed over... so I guess I'm failing to see the heinous transgression here. Buyer agreed to shipping cost, seller took responsibility for it getting there, and it got there. End of story.
Would I have done it the same way had I been the seller? No, but I wasn't the seller here. If anything I overpack things because I can't stand hearing something moving about in a package... but that said, it's not my place to tell another seller how to ship, so long as the item gets there undamaged.
Frankly I don't know why there's a "shipping charges" star anyway since there is tacit approval of said charges when the buyer agrees to bid on or buy the item.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
<< <i>At the very minimum, I would expect a padded mailer with a postal system generated label. Minimum for $5.25 >>
...as well as hand delivery by a Turkish Monk.
<< <i>Every one of the posters within this thread would surely NOT give the seller a 5 star rating for "Shipping and Handling Charges" had they paid $5.25 for shipping only to receive a coin in a make-shift 2x2 with a single postage stamp on a standard business envelope.
At the very minimum, I would expect a padded mailer with a postal system generated label. Minimum for $5.25
And its not at all about whether or not Stone knew that shipping costs that would be charged.............it was about how the coin was actually shipped.
It would be no different than of a buyer agreed to pay $19.95 for shipping only to receive the coin in a stamped envelope. All of you would be ticked. >>
<< <i>
<< <i>At the very minimum, I would expect a padded mailer with a postal system generated label. Minimum for $5.25 >>
...as well as hand delivery by a Turkish Monk. >>
Now that's just a ridiculous reply........................
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Ebay regs clearly state that the seller is entitled to a reasonable handling charge.
If the seller wants to underpack and risk damage or potential loss, that's his problem, not the buyer's, as he (the seller) is responsible for getting it there safely. Speaking of which, OP indeed got the coin safely, something that's been conveniently glossed over... so I guess I'm failing to see the heinous transgression here. Buyer agreed to shipping cost, seller took responsibility for it getting there, and it got there. End of story.
Would I have done it the same way had I been the seller? No, but I wasn't the seller here. If anything I overpack things because I can't stand hearing something moving about in a package... but that said, it's not my place to tell another seller how to ship, so long as the item gets there undamaged.
Frankly I don't know why there's a "shipping charges" star anyway since there is tacit approval of said charges when the buyer agrees to bid on or buy the item. >>
Try to remember back when folks were circumventing the eBay Final Value System by selling coin's for .99 cents with a $24.95 or worse yet, $69.95 shipping "and handling" charge.
It's one reason that the DSR Stars were enacted and its the primary reason that eBay began charging Final Value Fee's on shipping.
While a good percentage of sellers are stand up and honest folks, there's always the little faction of "beat the system" folks that much it up for everybody else!
And of course, this all falls back into the "charge x amount for shipping" but then throw it in an envelope to increase the sales profits. Not that I mind folks making a profit................it's "how" they make that profit.
The name is LEE!
i really shoulda posted this sooner
experience
tried to find the one from liar liar but to no avail. >:-|
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If you buy an item for 20.00 including shipping, and you buy the same item for 15.00 + 5.00 for shipping do you whack both sellers or only the one who posted a shipping cost?
Again as it goes I would prefer a coin be delivered to me in the most nondescript way as that helps insure that it will not stand out from other mail. I am sure other fell the same way but I could be delusional about that, we might as well just write on the outside of the envelope what is in it what its value is and if it is insured (that is why the P.O. only puts shipping cost and not all fees so it is better protected)!
Oh Happy Day!
you said: I just recently sent an item out and the label stated 47.00 for shipping but I charged 75.00 on the sale, would you give me one star for shipping because of this? I had to make a custom size box which cost 10.00, I had to build a secure high density foam interior for the box to hold the item and just the foam was 9.00 as just bubble wrap would not work, I had to use 5 high hold hot glue gun glue sticks at 1.20 each, 2.00 worth of bubble wrap to protect uneven surface and other costs such as gas for transport to fedex, paper cost, ink cost, the 45minutes to drive to and from the store for supplies, 20 min drive to and from drop of center, 1 hour to package the item etc etc etc......
My point exactly, now jam the toaster you sold in an envelope for 50 cents and charge $47...and don't forget, call yourself a professional...
My opinion is cheap, but that's my 2 cents.
<< <i>Actually it was a very nice vintage Allen & Heath GL3 Series 32 channel sound board in full working order. These boards to this day are fantastic and produce a great sound for live recordings, live performance or studio work. No toasters here but I did see one at an antique shop the other day from the 50s with the ceramic coating in perfect shape. >>
Sounds nice and I'd give you 5 stars for shipping...if I could get the box open
with one or more of those smokin ladies in his icon
Probably just winding up the riffraff for fun, right from the get go.
<< <i>Every one of the posters within this thread would surely NOT give the seller a 5 star rating for "Shipping and Handling Charges" had they paid $5.25 for shipping only to receive a coin in a make-shift 2x2 with a single postage stamp on a standard business envelope. >>
BS! I have, and I would if I went into it knowingly.... particularly knowing how eBay is.
If I felt the coin was packaged adequately for the type (ie....in 2x2 or plastic) and the price, I factor it into the bid. May not be ecstatic, but if it arrived ok, I haven't kibbitzed know would I
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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<< <i>Every one of the posters within this thread would surely NOT give the seller a 5 star rating for "Shipping and Handling Charges" had they paid $5.25 for shipping only to receive a coin in a make-shift 2x2 with a single postage stamp on a standard business envelope. >>
BS! I have, and I would if I went into it knowingly.... particularly knowing how eBay is.
If I felt the coin was packaged adequately for the type (ie....in 2x2 or plastic) and the price, I factor it into the bid. May not be ecstatic, but if it arrived ok, I haven't kibbitzed know would I >>
Agree. Any regular Ebay buyer fairly automatically hits the 5 stars in each category unless there is a real problem. At that point protocal is to contact the seller and resolve the issue before leaving feedback.
Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat