I can say nothing about the coin in question, but I think that if I owned an 1804 quarter that nice, I would have it certified by a better known TPG.
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Say what you will about the Seller- even agree the coin probably wouldn't grade out with PCGS- but he does know his coins and isn't likely to sell anything outside of an authentic coin.
<< <i>Say what you will about the Seller- even agree the coin probably wouldn't grade out with PCGS- but he does know his coins
I agree!!! In my experience they may be cleaned or overgraded but I've purchased probably 10 key date morgans from him and sent to NGC or PCGS and only 2 got details grades.
It looks like she has had facial reconstruction surgery, especially her mouth. It also looks like maybe the hair has been worked and the fields smoothed.
If I had to guess, I'd say the reason it isn't certified by one of the top 3 or 4 grading companies is due to tooling.
<< <i>It looks like she has had facial reconstruction surgery, especially her mouth. It also looks like maybe the hair has been worked and the fields smoothed.
If I had to guess, I'd say the reason it isn't certified by one of the top 3 or 4 grading companies is due to tooling. >>
Presuming that it may be genuine, would not the value of the coin be higher in a pcgs genuine holder VF Details?
<< <i>It looks like she has had facial reconstruction surgery, especially her mouth. It also looks like maybe the hair has been worked and the fields smoothed.
If I had to guess, I'd say the reason it isn't certified by one of the top 3 or 4 grading companies is due to tooling. >>
I know this notice of theirs (NNC) is 7 years old, but the following would make me feel real comfy about using their services:
"PLEASE NOTE: We apologize for any inconvenience. But, due to computer problems which caused a loss of some of our data, NNC will be unable to verify coins that were processed between December 15, 2006 through February 13, 2007. The information we will not be able to provide includes date, mint mark, denomination and grade. However, we can provide information regarding who originally submitted your coin for grading and the date it was graded."
But they REALLY seem to want to help rid the hobby of fakes, issuing the following statement:
"PLEASE NOTE: We are no longer accepting submissions from Singapore due to the large number of counterfeit coins coming from there."
They either want to help stem the flow, or they just got too tired of seeing so many submitted to them, as the Singapore Connection must have thought they'd be the best bet to get those fakes into SOME kind of 'real' U.S. grader's slab...(my feelings on NNC are mixed, and trying not to break Rule #4, but you CAN find a needle in the haystack, sometimes). The Singapore Connection knew enough to not use that service with a 'gold star', but....oh, right, only the owner 'submits', goes out to the garage, and puts some stuff between plastic casings, then images them and sells them on ebay...he must save a ton in shipping costs...who is the ebay seller that owns that 'gold star' service again??....anybody??? They are both in OH. Sad thing is, they probably already have some of those coins in the indicated grading services slabs.
After looking up the SGS website... their website claims An Independent Study has recently found that SGS currently accounts for 7% of all Graded Coins sold on the internet auction site eBay. That's not a whole lot of coins (IMO) seeing there are only a few grading co's ON ebay. And how could they keep track??? They can't be promoted/listed as a grader, not like our hosts. Before the new rules about ebay approved TPG's, and their attempt to keep 'self slabbers' coins from being listed like a PCGS coin is. Before that decision went down, that seller was moving tons of product, with his slabs held together by his 'security bands' (colored Scotch tape holding it together). Dare I ask has anyone ever bothered to use their services??
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when you say "right", you mean the authenticity? or do you mean the estimated condition.
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peacockcoins
<< <i>Say what you will about the Seller- even agree the coin probably wouldn't grade out with PCGS- but he does know his coins
I agree!!! In my experience they may be cleaned or overgraded but I've purchased probably 10 key date morgans from him and sent to NGC or PCGS and only 2 got details grades.
Hoard the keys
mbogoman
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It also looks like maybe the hair has been worked and the fields smoothed.
If I had to guess, I'd say the reason it isn't certified by one of the top 3 or 4 grading companies is due to tooling.
<< <i>It looks like she has had facial reconstruction surgery, especially her mouth.
It also looks like maybe the hair has been worked and the fields smoothed.
If I had to guess, I'd say the reason it isn't certified by one of the top 3 or 4 grading companies is due to tooling. >>
Presuming that it may be genuine, would not the value of the coin be higher in a pcgs genuine holder VF Details?
<< <i>It looks like she has had facial reconstruction surgery, especially her mouth.
It also looks like maybe the hair has been worked and the fields smoothed.
If I had to guess, I'd say the reason it isn't certified by one of the top 3 or 4 grading companies is due to tooling. >>
Eric
"PLEASE NOTE: We apologize for any inconvenience. But, due to computer problems which caused a loss of some of our data, NNC will be unable to verify coins that were processed between December 15, 2006 through February 13, 2007. The information we will not be able to provide includes date, mint mark, denomination and grade. However, we can provide information regarding who originally submitted your coin for grading and the date it was graded."
But they REALLY seem to want to help rid the hobby of fakes, issuing the following statement:
"PLEASE NOTE: We are no longer accepting submissions from Singapore due to the large number of counterfeit coins coming from there."
They either want to help stem the flow, or they just got too tired of seeing so many submitted to them, as the Singapore Connection must have thought they'd be the best bet to get those fakes into SOME kind of 'real' U.S. grader's slab...(my feelings on NNC are mixed, and trying not to break Rule #4, but you CAN find a needle in the haystack, sometimes). The Singapore Connection knew enough to not use that service with a 'gold star', but....oh, right, only the owner 'submits', goes out to the garage, and puts some stuff between plastic casings, then images them and sells them on ebay...he must save a ton in shipping costs...who is the ebay seller that owns that 'gold star' service again??....anybody??? They are both in OH. Sad thing is, they probably already have some of those coins in the indicated grading services slabs.
After looking up the SGS website... their website claims An Independent Study has recently found that SGS currently accounts for 7% of all Graded Coins sold on the internet auction site eBay. That's not a whole lot of coins (IMO) seeing there are only a few grading co's ON ebay. And how could they keep track??? They can't be promoted/listed as a grader, not like our hosts. Before the new rules about ebay approved TPG's, and their attempt to keep 'self slabbers' coins from being listed like a PCGS coin is. Before that decision went down, that seller was moving tons of product, with his slabs held together by his 'security bands' (colored Scotch tape holding it together). Dare I ask has anyone ever bothered to use their services??