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Chop marked peso or counter stamp?
OriginalDan
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Here's an interesting discussion piece. First, I really like the look of this coin. Pretty toning, UNC condition (apart from the damage). I collect chop marked coins from the west (ie. Americas and Europe, etc. not China, Japan etc.) and picked up this piece for very little cost. The impressions are larger than normal chop marks so I'd describe them more as Chinese counter marks than actual chop marks used in trade scenarios. Chop marked coins are known into the first decade of the 20th century in fact I have a few of these Mexican pesos with undoubtedly legitimate chop marks. I think the combination of the great condition of the coin and the size/overall look of the chops is giving me pause.
I'm not fluent in Chinese or able to read the characters, but I believe the symbol here is 大 or 'da' meaning big or large. The symbol itself is a common chop mark.
Anyone have any thoughts to add?
I'm not fluent in Chinese or able to read the characters, but I believe the symbol here is 大 or 'da' meaning big or large. The symbol itself is a common chop mark.
Anyone have any thoughts to add?
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<< <i>That symbol means "give to EVP so he can give to his better half's father". >>
LOL....thats great.
Unless they were aquired from some sort of official source, it could be that by 1903 the size of the chopmark could be somewhat larger than earlier on...just a guess though.
I'm thinking it is a chop .
1. The same symbol is present and they look very close in size
2. There are other legit chops on this 8R
3. The date is not far off
Neat!
By the way, does this chop mark remind anyone else of Gumby?
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<< <i>Nice chopped Peso, Dan. There are many physical characteristics of the chopmarks - small/large chops, chops in relief, assay chops, letter chops, number chops, manchu chops (chops in manchu script, considered rare), bankers ink chops (in red, blue, purple ink), paper chops (like a "Happy Wedding" chop) and presentation chops (drawn in India ink and usualy are very elaborate, covering the entire coin). I remember owning a small book from the late 80's that spoke in-depth about different types and provided images. >>
The Rose book is a pretty good start, totally ground breaking work at the time and hasn't been replicated in one source since. Fortunately for us, Colin Gullberg (current president of the Chop Mark Collectors Club) is putting together an update to the Rose book (more of a pamphlet really) that should be available within a year or so. I'm really excited to see it as there has been a lot of research performed over the past 50-60 years since the Rose book was first published. As evidence by threads like this one, there isn't a ton of knowledge easily available and the area in general is many times just guess work.
Of your list above I've located a few nice examples with ink chops and even a wedding chop recently. I plan to post a picture soon, I think it's pretty cool. I'm really a sucker for these things, what with the travel and historical significance. We all wish we knew the stories our coins told, and with these we actually have some insight.
instead of incuse. I see the resulting damage
on the other side but.....
Tibor
<< <i>It almost looks like the 'chops' are raised
instead of incuse. I see the resulting damage
on the other side but.....
Tibor >>
2D pictures can play tricks on the mind. They stamps are definitely not raised, but I see what you mean when looking at the picture.