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1964 Roosevelt die clash question
blacksmoke
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I've been looking for a site for the Roosevelts like there are for the Lincolns such as Lincoln Cent Resource. Is there one? I'm trying to identify the clash on the bridge of the nose on these two and not having much luck. Thanks.
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jeff
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check my thread in the next 30 minutes and i'll have a roosevelt uploaded.
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jeff
i'm working on some off-center and rotated clashing overlays but nothing is lining up at all.
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i coulda swore i saw that type of clashing before.
;it seems it will take someone with more skill than I to place this clash. i wonder if it is a multi-denominational clash; like something kevin flynn and i worked on for one of his recent books but just a modern coin version? gotta happen given the trillions of coins being made, no?
here is about the best i can come up with given the original images to work with.
doesn't appear to be delamination or occluded gassing.
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jeff
jeff
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<< <i>Pardon my ignorance, but what would a multi-denominational clash be? >>
well after the hundreds of hours i spent getting overlays for that book that were never used, i guess i should just make a new post with just those type of overlays so someone can enjoy them. i was going to before but i forgot to do it and it never occurred to me again since
there are websites with those types of images posted but i like having my threads here for quick reference, adding, removing, updating etc.
i'll post a link here once i get it up and running with some images.
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this will serve as the link to that thread. probably won't make too much progress this evening but maybe tomorrow.
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Hope these are better. The first pic will show another lighter clash below the "band-aid" and there's one that goes downward from the bottom of his eye going downward in the crevasse of the nose and cheek and a cud on his eyebrow. That is hard to see in the pics.
jeff
<< <i>if they were misaligned, they could also have been rotated >>
i looked pretty thoroughly around the design, rotating the reverse, moving it off-center and i don't see anything that really comes close to what those "clashes" look like. at this point i'm not ruling out that the dies struck some hard piece of scrap or something that impressed into the die although that shoulda left something on the rev die too?
having one in-hand would probably make all the difference in the world like holding in-hand usually does.
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looks like this explains it
the second image
this one too
third image
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