Another ebay buyer to block.
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There are actually two IDs that I would recommend blocking: vinnito76 and webdesigner3300. I'm out 1000.00 due to this apparent scam.
vinnito76 - 14 feedback who is the buyer. Paid quickly via BIN/Offer For this auction.
Buyer opened a complaint case stating they never received the card. The card was shipped on the 19th using the Global Shipping Program and was never scanned by USPS. This is the reason the buyer was able to open and win this case.
Card was sold a week later on ebay here by webdesigner3300 for a 239.00 loss. This buyer/seller: Webdesigner3300, also bought a card from me previously as well, no doubt with the intention of trying to claim that I sent him the wrong card. The card this buyer previously bought from me was a 1971 Topps Reggie Jackson PSA 6 card. This card was sold and sent on October 8th, though with positive feedback shown for me from this buyer on the 22nd of October. The intended shipping address for these two ebay IDs are a few hours apart in distance.
It would have been impossible for me to send the Derek Jeter card accidently with the Reggie Jackson card. I know this because I bought the Jeter card from Small Traditions and have this from David Thorn of Small Traditions:
Shipped To: JUSTIN FOSTER
(Address omitted)
Mailing Date: 10/10/2013
Est. Delivery: 1-3 days
Service: Priority Mail (R)
Signature: Not Required
The above date post-dates the sending date of the Reggie Jackson card. I received this card after the Reggie Jackson card was sent.
Obviously there is something fishy going on here between these two ebay IDs. Ebay is investigating, but they said they do not know what can be done about this. Paypal stated that they will only appeal if I can show that the package was delivered to the intended buyer. This buyer/seller combo took advantage of the USPS' failure to scan this package. I believe this package was not scanned due to the Global Shipping Program label being the way it is. It is not a traditional label and thereby probably passed over when scanned.
Anyone have any similar issues or stories using the Global Shipping Program? At this point I will not be using it again. I just got a follow-up call from Ebay stating that they would like me to call the local law enforcement agency and they are going to try and work toward getting me the card back. They stated after investigation they could and will be taking action against all Ebay IDs involved, but since this case was opened with Paypal, I cannot do anything to appeal through Ebay. and Paypal only will listen if I can provide proof that the item was delivered.
Justin
vinnito76 - 14 feedback who is the buyer. Paid quickly via BIN/Offer For this auction.
Buyer opened a complaint case stating they never received the card. The card was shipped on the 19th using the Global Shipping Program and was never scanned by USPS. This is the reason the buyer was able to open and win this case.
Card was sold a week later on ebay here by webdesigner3300 for a 239.00 loss. This buyer/seller: Webdesigner3300, also bought a card from me previously as well, no doubt with the intention of trying to claim that I sent him the wrong card. The card this buyer previously bought from me was a 1971 Topps Reggie Jackson PSA 6 card. This card was sold and sent on October 8th, though with positive feedback shown for me from this buyer on the 22nd of October. The intended shipping address for these two ebay IDs are a few hours apart in distance.
It would have been impossible for me to send the Derek Jeter card accidently with the Reggie Jackson card. I know this because I bought the Jeter card from Small Traditions and have this from David Thorn of Small Traditions:
Shipped To: JUSTIN FOSTER
(Address omitted)
Mailing Date: 10/10/2013
Est. Delivery: 1-3 days
Service: Priority Mail (R)
Signature: Not Required
The above date post-dates the sending date of the Reggie Jackson card. I received this card after the Reggie Jackson card was sent.
Obviously there is something fishy going on here between these two ebay IDs. Ebay is investigating, but they said they do not know what can be done about this. Paypal stated that they will only appeal if I can show that the package was delivered to the intended buyer. This buyer/seller combo took advantage of the USPS' failure to scan this package. I believe this package was not scanned due to the Global Shipping Program label being the way it is. It is not a traditional label and thereby probably passed over when scanned.
Anyone have any similar issues or stories using the Global Shipping Program? At this point I will not be using it again. I just got a follow-up call from Ebay stating that they would like me to call the local law enforcement agency and they are going to try and work toward getting me the card back. They stated after investigation they could and will be taking action against all Ebay IDs involved, but since this case was opened with Paypal, I cannot do anything to appeal through Ebay. and Paypal only will listen if I can provide proof that the item was delivered.
Justin
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If WebDesigner is in Casper, Wyoming, and the two IDs are a couple of hours apart, how did Global Shipping come into play?
<< <i>Totally not trying to be a jerk here...but why did you use the Global Shipping program for a simple US Delivery? Just curious. >>
Maybe that's why I'm confused. And if it really is US to US, why on earth isn't there insurance, signature confirmation, etc., on a thousand dollar item?
Justin
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<< <i>
<< <i>Totally not trying to be a jerk here...but why did you use the Global Shipping program for a simple US Delivery? Just curious. >>
Maybe that's why I'm confused. And if it really is US to US, why on earth isn't there insurance, signature confirmation, etc., on a thousand dollar item? >>
I did insure it...and did put signature confirmation on it, but it was not scanned by USPS so there is no tracking. USPS is taking the stance that it is 'missing'. I bought insurance on it, however, USPS is claiming that I only insured it for 250.00. I'm working on that one as well to try and re-coupe some of this. They are sending me a physical packet to fill out for the claim.
Justin
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not worth it
If I'm correct you are saying that the card was received by the Global Shipping Center (GSC) and moved on to the buyer in Canada who says they never received it. So can I assume that the GSC received the card and shipped it, but also have no record (tracking, signature, etc.) for the card?
I've never shipped through the new global shipping program, but if I'm understanding the facts correctly something is not adding up here. Most likely I'm not understanding the situation. I'm genuinely wanting to get this so I can avoid using global shipping. It seemed like a low-risk way to ship internationally on first look.
Help me get this!!
jbox
Edit: Based on what you know, doesn't it seem like a legitimate possibility that the original buyer in Canada did not receive the card? It seems unlikely that the card would pass from you to GSC (with sig confirmation requested) without one scan, then GSC packages it up for delivery (with sig con.) to Canada and again it never gets scanned at any point. This is the only scenario where the buyer would receive the card and this seems way less likely than the card being diverted/stolen at some point previous. If my facts are straight, I'd bet my next pay check that the original buyer never received the card. With that, have you contacted the webdesigner3000 guy and simply asked where he got the card?
<< <i>Just to be clear. Are you saying you sent the card, insured, with signature confirmation to Kentucky (Global Shipping Center in US)? If so, are you saying that USPS never scanned the package at any point from drop off to delivery?
If I'm correct you are saying that the card was received by the Global Shipping Center (GSC) and moved on to the buyer in Canada who says they never received it. So can I assume that the GSC received the card and shipped it, but also have no record (tracking, signature, etc.) for the card?
I've never shipped through the new global shipping program, but if I'm understanding the facts correctly something is not adding up here. Most likely I'm not understanding the situation. I'm genuinely wanting to get this so I can avoid using global shipping. It seemed like a low-risk way to ship internationally on first look.
Help me get this!!
jbox
Edit: Based on what you know, doesn't it seem like a legitimate possibility that the original buyer in Canada did not receive the card? It seems unlikely that the card would pass from you to GSC (with sig confirmation requested) without one scan, then GSC packages it up for delivery (with sig con.) to Canada and again it never gets scanned at any point. This is the only scenario where the buyer would receive the card and this seems way less likely than the card being diverted/stolen at some point previous. If my facts are straight, I'd bet my next pay check that the original buyer never received the card. With that, have you contacted the webdesigner3000 guy and simply asked where he got the card? >>
Hi jbox,
I did contact the "webdesigner3300" guy today. He stated "HE" received the card, and then went off saying that the card is his based on the law and because of "Carma" (his word) he should be entitled to keeping it. The fact of the matter is that's just not possible. His card was originally sent on the 8th and delivered on the 11th. The David Thorn of Small Traditions did not even send my winnings to me until the 10th. The likelihood of re-printing a USPS label for a past auction won would have to be done blatantly. Also, I remember the printing of the GSR label and affixing it to the package when I sent this out. Something still doesn't add up.
Justin
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jbox
<< <i>I did contact the "webdesigner3300" guy today. He stated "HE" received the card, and then went off saying that the card is his based on the law and because of "Carma" (his word) he should be entitled to keeping it. >>
In terms of karma, he seems to be setting himself up for a bad run of it with this move...
Dear jadedjackal,
First off .. the fact is there was no law broken .. file a complain with judge judy .. at least when you lose the case we will still both get paid by the show !! .. you sent it to me .. look up the law .. I did understand the ethics behind keeping it .. but ethics and law are different .. some times the law is unfair .. feel free to send me the phone number of the law enforcement agency you contact .. (i will google to make sure its them) and I will call them .. sadly you have no recourse .. just look it up .. sorry for your loss ..
- webdesigner3300
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From: jadedjackal
To: webdesigner3300
Subject: Re: jadedjackal has sent a message
Sent Date: Dec-03-13 09:00:51 PST
Dear webdesigner3300,
Whether or not you believe Carma/Karma is on your side on this one, even if what you are stating is true, do you truly think it's good Karma to keep something that does not belong to you and profit from it? I'm not asking for payment, I'm asking for the product back and to be sent to the rightful owner. Since you no longer have possession of said item, I will let law enforcement decide on how to get this item back.
Justin
- jadedjackal
From: webdesigner3300
To: jadedjackal
Subject: Re: jadedjackal has sent a message
Sent Date: Dec-03-13 08:53:55 PST
Dear jadedjackal,
I looked up all the laws on this when i got it -- Federal Trade Commission has all the laws on it .. You cannot send a unordered product to someone and then demand payment .. and I have no obligation to do anything for you .. but
.. I am 99 percent sure it was a white box .. it had my name and address on it .. it was not in my first package from you .. it came all by itself some time after i got the first card ..
- webdesigner3300
From: jadedjackal
To: webdesigner3300
Subject: Re: jadedjackal has sent a message
Sent Date: Dec-03-13 08:48:31 PST
Dear webdesigner3300,
You are confused. I bought this card from Small Traditions for 700.00 and sold it on ebay for 1000.00.
I did not receive the Jeter card until a week after I sent your package out. I remember specifically putting the Global Shipping Program label on the package sent to this buyer.
What was the package you received? Was it a bubble wrapped envelope or box?
Justin
- jadedjackal
From: webdesigner3300
To: jadedjackal
Subject: Re: jadedjackal has sent a message
Sent Date: Dec-03-13 08:30:37 PST
Dear jadedjackal,
It is not a lie .. I told you the truth .. I almost didn't bother responding .. but i did nothing wrong .. you sent it too me - how else do you think i got it .. I even have a witness who saw me open the package .. I looked up the law on getting sent goods you did not pay for .. like i said there is a statue on that .. and that was it .. feel free to make your complaint but you cant just send a stranger mail .. and expect them not too keep the product you put in it ..
like really how else do you think i would of got it .. .. My guess is you printed out the wrong tracking sticker do to carelessness .. I had bought a card from you like a month earlier .. and had already got it .. but for some reason you printed out my name and address to send the jeter .. which was weird since you didnt even sell it on ebay .. (i found it on another site when i searched it) .. Sorry man you cant file on something that is not a crime ..
- webdesigner3300
From: jadedjackal
To: webdesigner3300
Subject: Re: jadedjackal has sent a message
Sent Date: Dec-03-13 08:22:42 PST
Dear webdesigner3300,
This is a blatant lie. I am filing a complaint with my local law enforcement agency.
Justin
- jadedjackal
From: webdesigner3300
To: jadedjackal
Subject: Re: jadedjackal has sent a message
Sent Date: Dec-03-13 08:17:21 PST
Dear jadedjackal,
One day i went to my mail box .. and it was sent to me .. it was addressed to me .. so i opened it .. and it was the only thing in there .. So actually had just been robbed earlier on buying a fake Nolan Ryan rookie .. and also had sent out a card to the wrong person and lost that money as well .. so after looking up the law .. I saw that something addressed to you was rightfully yours .. there is a statute on it .. I saw legally it was mine .. since i had lost close to 500 earlier in the month .. I thanked the Carma gods and posted it . sorry for your loss .. but you should not send out cards to random people .. and lastly .. u didnt lose 1000 . i saw it on line in Google search .. it sold for 700 ..
let me stress the fact that i looked up all laws before making my decision to post it .. since you addressed it too me .. it was mine . sorry man .. better be more careful ..
- webdesigner3300
From: jadedjackal
To: webdesigner3300
Subject: jadedjackal has sent a message
Sent Date: Dec-03-13 06:54:51 PST
Dear webdesigner3300,
Hello,
I see you sold the exact same 1993 UD Gold Hologram Derek Jeter PSA 10 card that I sold to another buyer. That buyer is claiming non-receipt and I just lost 1000.00. Can you please tell me how you obtained this card?
Thank you.
Justin
- jadedjackal
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Justin
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With that said. I have sold almost three thousand items this year on ebay and not a single package ever didn't get scanned at any point. For a package to have never been scanned means it had to not be scanned upon drop off, at any stop or on delivery. That just is really hard for me to believe. I have used the global system probably fifty times without issue. That does not mean next month I will be in the same boat you are in.
You seem to be a very good person and don't doubt you believe what you are saying. However, is it possible you printed the global form and somehow just made a mistake and sent it to the real crook? Make no mistake, if you just made a mistake that doesn't entitle the person to steal your card in my eyes. I'm just trying to piece the puzzle together.
I just feel like at some point the item would be scanned along the way that at least shows it started out on the journey. How would the scammer know you were going to list a $1,000 card in the future to buy the Reggie to begin the scam? Do you sell a lot of high end items? If so, why did he only take you for one card?
I'm real sorry you are going through this. I'm on your side but it just seems like you got scammed in a little different way than you are thinking.
My hope is to help you figure out what happened and get your money back.
I don't know if you have access to a cheap attorney. My brother is an attorney, and I would have him draft a letter and cite some case law or other legalize to try and convince him he doesn't have a legal stance here, even if he does. A police report and letter from an attorney puts a little fear in a lot of people. I'm not sure if it's worth it to you at this point for that amount.
I'd also consider planning my next vacation in the area of his residence and pay the guy a visit, but that's just me. If not that, I'd certainly find a way to make the guys life hell. After all, you do have his name and address. That's a good start. With that, do not threaten him in any way in writing.
I also agree with everything 1980scollector said. The guy in Canada is almost certainly out of the loop here. The odds of an item never being scanned once, yet still being delivered are pretty small. You need to rack your brain and try to figure out what could have happened. You should have email receipts, tracking info, etc on both items shipped. Go look for everything you have in regards to these two shipments and see if you can piece it together.
jbox
<< <i>I agree that I would pass all this along to ebay if he is doing this through them. They may have some recourse, not sure.
I don't know if you have access to a cheap attorney. My brother is an attorney, and I would have him draft a letter and cite some case law or other legalize to try and convince him he doesn't have a legal stance here, even if he does. A police report and letter from an attorney puts a little fear in a lot of people. I'm not sure if it's worth it to you at this point for that amount.
I'd also consider planning my next vacation in the area of his residence and pay the guy a visit, but that's just me. If not that, I'd certainly find a way to make the guys life hell. After all, you do have his name and address. That's a good start. With that, do not threaten him in any way in writing.
I also agree with everything 1980scollector said. The guy in Canada is almost certainly out of the loop here. The odds of an item never being scanned once, yet still being delivered are pretty small. You need to rack your brain and try to figure out what could have happened. You should have email receipts, tracking info, etc on both items shipped. Go look for everything you have in regards to these two shipments and see if you can piece it together.
>>
+1....I agree with most that it doesn't sound like the Canadian was involved and that it's time Ebay is alerted of the messages you guys are passing back/forth.
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Sadly I believe there may be some merit to what "webdesigner3300" is saying about what he received through the mail but didn't order. If it came down to an actual Court case I think you would lose. I'm not at all saying what the guy did was right, I personally would never be able to sleep again if I did that to someone. Regardless if he has merit or not I would somehow try to pressure him into giving it back and check with a lawyer to see what you can do.
I guess I shouldn't have returned it saying the law was on my side! NOT
Maybe you should consider small claims court. I know it's a long way for you but you might get some satisfaction.
I think involving a lawyer would add insult to my already injured pocket book.
Hopefully Karma swings around again for this gentleman. If I received an item not intended for me, I would notify and send it back. Some people I guess...
Thanks to all who took time to read and tried to help me make sense of the situation.
Justin
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<< <i>I don't believe you need a lawyer for small claims court. >>
Small claims is not an avenue I will be pursuing. I have won small claim cases before and still have yet to collect on monies due me, even with liens.
I alerted ebay about the messages between the buyer and myself, if they do anything so be it. I also went to my local law enforcement agency during lunch, and they stated I should involve the USPS Federal Investigation service. He also stated that this item was not a gift and therefore I do have legal rights to the item. These messages from the buyer show that.
Justin
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He needs a beatdown. I know that's not possible. Would accomplish more than law enforcement. Who won't touch this case, sad to say.
Best of luck.
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But it is referring to companies that send out something and then bill you for it later. This is not your case.
I'll bet that Ebay will be quite interested in that string of messages he sent.
Good luck and don't give up
That brings me to contract law, part II. If a mistake is made, and the person who benefits from the mistake KNOWS that a mistake was being made, they have the duty to allow you out of the contract. Not an ethical duty, but a legal duty.
He admits that he did not order the item. If the bank makes a mistake on your account in your favor, they absolutely have the right to get the money back. I think you win this case if you press it.
<< <i>Yet another reason why I refuse to use ebay/paypal shipping. >>
I don't see the first indication that eBay or PayPal are the least bit at fault in this scenario.
Look through your old emails. Anytime you generate a shipping label through the usps, ebay or paypal they send an email receipt that has "shipped to" info. It should be easy to look back and see if you made a mistake. Let us know.
I would not just chalk this up as a $1000 loss. Keep after it.
jbox
As far as what happened is concerned, I'll be the first to admit that I'm really perplexed. I've never used GSP before, but I can't for the life of me understand why they would create such a program and allow packages to go completely undetected to another country. I've sent my fair share of (non-GSP) packages to the UK, and I can't recall a single time when I wasn't inundated with info. From acceptance to delivery, it's always there for my viewing. So for your package to completely vanish into thin air -- especially when sig con was attached -- really leaves me puzzled.
I may be very wrong about this, but I'm under the assumption that this dude isn't intelligent enough to concoct such an elaborate scheme. It literally would have required him to pay special attention to the lack of tracking info, then immediately pounce. If he was indeed that savvy, the very last thing one would expect is a potentially incriminating back-and-forth with you -- via eBay, no less.
One other thing I've kicked around in my head: the timeline. You said the card initially took off on the 19th for Canada, yet this guy (supposedly in the States) threw it back up on eBay exactly a week later? Either this isn't plausible from a time perspective (I've never sent a package there), or this fella is awfully quick on his feet for someone who otherwise wouldn't appear to be.
goods that do not belong to him, that he knows it belongs to you, that you made an error (his claim) and sent it to him by mistake,
and that you will reimburse him for expenses to return the product to you. Given all of that he has no intention of returning it.
With all of his admissions I believe he is in possession of stolen goods.
Just wanted to add that once a well respected large consignor sent me someone's large order of 1970 PSA 9 graded cards instead of the
PSA 9 (OC) cards I had ordered. I never even gave it a second thought to keep the cards. They were back at the P.O.
on their way back within the hour.
It's unfortunate we have people like this scum to deal with.
<< <i>First and foremost, I'm sorry this happened to you. In no way, shape or form is this going to mitigate the financial sting, but from my vantage point you've handled this like a champ. If it were humanly possible to quantify character, I submit that your figure would far exceed what this guy sold your card for.
As far as what happened is concerned, I'll be the first to admit that I'm really perplexed. I've never used GSP before, but I can't for the life of me understand why they would create such a program and allow packages to go completely undetected to another country. I've sent my fair share of (non-GSP) packages to the UK, and I can't recall a single time when I wasn't inundated with info. From acceptance to delivery, it's always there for my viewing. So for your package to completely vanish into thin air -- especially when sig con was attached -- really leaves me puzzled.
I may be very wrong about this, but I'm under the assumption that this dude isn't intelligent enough to concoct such an elaborate scheme. It literally would have required him to pay special attention to the lack of tracking info, then immediately pounce. If he was indeed that savvy, the very last thing one would expect is a potentially incriminating back-and-forth with you -- via eBay, no less.
One other thing I've kicked around in my head: the timeline. You said the card initially took off on the 19th for Canada, yet this guy (supposedly in the States) threw it back up on eBay exactly a week later? Either this isn't plausible from a time perspective (I've never sent a package there), or this fella is awfully quick on his feet for someone who otherwise wouldn't appear to be. >>
Thanks for the comments and the reassurance guys.
As far as the timeline, it did ship out at that time. Though, this fella's auction ran on a 5-day auction from what I can see. I did not see this auction close until the Paypal case had hit on 11/20. I did not charge shipping and I sent it 2-day air on my own dime (which I now believe 2-day air to be limited to it going from origination to Kentucky - I'm unaware of time added for packages after they hit the freight forwarder). Obviously, if I in error sent it to a previous domestic buyer, then 2-days would be plenty of time for this buyer to receive it. Looks like he began the auction on the 26th and it ended on the 31st of October. This was my first dealing with an international buyer with a baseball card, and reading about the GSP program, I felt protected, so I decided to let the transaction complete. To this point, I am still confused how it ended up in the hands of webdesigner3300, other than the potential obvious that an error was made.
I have sold and sent books to China and Australia about two years ago, but I dropped those off at the post office and made the transaction for shipping at the post office.
Justin
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When I got home, I looked at my labels printed during the last three months. I only show one label printed for this webdesigner3300 guy and it was for the Jackson card. I do not show two labels printed.
My question is, if an item was already delivered using one tracking number, and if a copy of that label is sent again after the package was delivered, how does that show up on a USPS scan? I manufactured no labels, all labels came from the ebay/paypal process. If the post office rejects previously used labels, and/or there must have been a new tracking number for this package, then I do not think I could have made an error.
Second, I do show that this label going to Canada was printed and paid for.
The last thing that was strange...when I walked out of my office today, I had three packages waiting to be shipped (i.e. waiting to be picked up by our USPS lady). All three of them were cards going out to different locations and the receptionist had rubber-banded all three of them together. The thought occurred to me that what would have happened if one package was on top of another and was never separated...? I discounted that theory as webdesigner's card had already left before the Jeter card was shipped, but I am going to be watching to make sure packages are not rubber-banded together any longer.
Justin
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However, if you go to ebay and look at your sales record for the Jackson card you can get the scum bags phone number and give him a call.
I don't understand how he thinks Karma is smiling on him and that it's okay to keep the card. I'd phone a lawyer for some advice.
Is it possible the 1st package didn't go out when you thought it did? Maybe the receptionist for some reason held the box back a few days and then later rubber banded it with the Jeter card box?
At this point the only thing that makes any sense is that the Jeter card box piggy backed with the box addressed to Webdesigner. If that is the case he opened a box addressed to someone else.
Of course that box has long since been destroyed or has it?
I think you said webdesigner is in Montana? How busy can law enforcement be there? If you give them a call and state your case maybe someone with a little time on their hands just might pay him a visit.
That in itself would be a win.
One thing I have learned now is to never rubber band packages for separate locations together. (Not sure I would have ever done that to begin with anyway)
<< <i>"I discounted that theory as webdesigner's card had already left before the Jeter card was shipped, but I am going to be watching to make sure packages are not rubber-banded together any longer."
Is it possible the 1st package didn't go out when you thought it did? Maybe the receptionist for some reason held the box back a few days and then later rubber banded it with the Jeter card box?
At this point the only thing that makes any sense is that the Jeter card box piggy backed with the box addressed to Webdesigner. If that is the case he opened a box addressed to someone else.
Of course that box has long since been destroyed or has it?
I think you said webdesigner is in Montana? How busy can law enforcement be there? If you give them a call and state your case maybe someone with a little time on their hands just might pay him a visit.
That in itself would be a win.
One thing I have learned now is to never rubber band packages for separate locations together. (Not sure I would have ever done that to begin with anyway) >>
Unfortunately that wouldn't make sense. I had shipped webdesigner3300's card out on the 8th and it showed delivery in Wyoming (where he is) on the 11th of October. David Thorn from Small Traditions didn't send me the Jeter card until the 10th of October. I received the Jeter card myself after the card webdesigner3300 had purchased was delivered to him.
Thus why I'm interested in a duplicate tracking label. I do not have a duplicate label printed (or first voided) for the webdesigner3300 first package. Meaning, I do not have a new tracking number generated for this webdesigner3300 guy or any record that shows that after the first card was delivered. So, if I did make an error, the item must have been shipped with the old label, which by then the first package was already delivered, and this new package would go through USPS with an old tracking number. This is the part that has me confused. How would USPS deal with an accidently mailed old label? If this happened, I would think that they would return it to the sender (me) stating that this label (that was previously paid for and used already) and would require new labeling. I have yet to call USPS this AM, but when I do I will post their protocol for that.
Also, just to add additional facts, I talked to another board member here last evening who stated that they also have used GSP and their tracking shows labels not being scanned for certain items.
Justin
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<< <i>If the card was never scanned then the USPS will not be able to pay out on insurance. If they have no record of ever receiving the package (ie initial scan upon acceptance) then it is your word vs. USPS system not having a record of the package. When reviewing the shipping information on ebay/paypal for the Jeter card, does it have the correct address listed on it? >>
The info on the Jeter card for shipping was destined for a Freight Forwarder in Kentucky, and from there off to Canada. The shipping address was (it also listed a reference number):
1850 Airport Exchange Blvd #200
Erlanger KY 41018-3193
United States
I would think that the freight forwarder would be able to provide tracking even if USPS could not, and I also believe if the item did indeed arrive in Canada, then is there some way of tracking whether or not import/duty tax was paid?
Justin
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From USPS perspective its as if they never had the package to start with. In the past insurance claims with them have been tough so this gives them an out. How the package got to Mr. "Carma" starts from the time it was picked up from your office. Regular Mail man/lady on duty that day?
Delivered Nov-30-13, 15:14 PM, PALM COAST, FL 32164
Out for Delivery Nov-30-13, 10:51 AM, PALM COAST, FL 32137
Sorting Complete Nov-30-13, 10:41 AM, PALM COAST, FL 32137
Arrival at Post Office Nov-30-13, 06:39 AM, PALM COAST, FL 32137
Depart USPS Sort Facility Nov-29-13, 00:00 AM, TAMPA, FL 33605
Processed at USPS Origin Sort Facility Nov-28-13, 21:39 PM, TAMPA, FL 33605
Accepted at USPS Origin Sort Facility Nov-28-13, 20:24 PM, AUBURNDALE, FL 33823
So what are the astronomical chances that the package was missed by a scanner at every one of these stops? I've had them miss the Tampa departure, or the sorting complete, etc., but NEVER more than one or two of those is missed.
If it was the mailman--what are the odds he knows Carma?
If it was the forwarding facility--what are the odds?
I have a real problem understanding how Carma's information could be mixed up with the forwarding facility. The label you printed off clearly shows the facility as the destination.
I have no doubt you were ripped off and Carma's email only support that. The issue will be with trying to get USPS inspectors involved with a package that does not exist in their system.
I personally do not think that card ever crossed the border.
<< <i>I noticed that he had the exact same (black) background for the Jeter as he did for all other cards recently sold. With that said, I go back to the timeline. From Cali to Kentucky in 2 days, correct? Then it would have required the card to go from Kentucky to Canada to Wyoming in 5, based on a week's time from the day you shipped it to the day it reappeared on eBay under his ID. For those who regularly buy from/sell to our neighbors to the north, is that even possible?
I personally do not think that card ever crossed the border. >>
It's possible, but unlikely. I've received cards from Canada in as little as 2 days before, but 7-10 days is typical.
I'm not sure if this matters much or not, but it is Justin's word AND webdesigner3300's vs. the "USPS system." Justin has documentation with WD admitting he received the card via USPS mail. I would at least try to pursue the insurance claim using WD's documentation to attempt to prove it was mailed.
Any updates on this matter? This is the most bizarre shipping mishap I've ever heard of.