Ebay would be better for sellers if...

Alltheabove76 · November 1, 2013 2:34AM

An auction was extended 10 seconds every time there is a bid in the final seconds. So that all the bidding is complete and that a bidding war could erupt. When there are no bids for 10 seconds, then the auction could end.

crypto79 · November 1, 2013 2:38AM

Bidding wars do erupt, they just tend to based on one shot nuke bids that one could argue are bigger than a wait a see bid that transpire on the extended duration auction houses like DLRC

TwoSides2aCoin · November 1, 2013 2:43AM

ebay better ? They were already the best they ever could have been.

s4ny · November 1, 2013 3:09AM

...they went back to the $50 max final value fee for coins.

TwoSides2aCoin · November 1, 2013 3:13AM

My nephew says it would be better if eBay did not start the auction clock until the first bid was made. Then allow the seller to choose a 1,2, or 3 day maximum length for the auction. He thinks more items would move and revenues would increase for both eBay and sellers. It makes sense, in a way.

Alltheabove76 · November 1, 2013 3:19AM

I just think that at the end of an auction items would go higher if people had a chance to get into a competition and that the clock did not stop until bidding was finished. I know that I have been caught out of time before when bidding.

TomB · November 1, 2013 3:21AM

It seems to be a pretty elaborate way of getting around the idea of simply bidding what you are willing to pay and then walking away.

Alltheabove76 · November 1, 2013 3:24AM

<< It seems to be a pretty elaborate way of getting around the idea of simply bidding what you are willing to pay and then walking away. >>

I assume you have been to a real auction. Have you ever been to one where the bidding stopped at a set time while people were still bidding? Auctions should end when people are finished bidding. Making an auction not close until there have been no bids for 10 seconds would absolutely cause items to sell for more money.

ctf_error_coins · November 1, 2013 3:25AM

As a buyer NO WAY

As a seller, seems like a great idea....

Ebay is all about the buyers so no way it happens.

derryb · November 1, 2013 3:28AM

they allowed negative feedback to be left for buyers. Buyer feedback currently serves no purpose.

CollectorAtWork · November 1, 2013 3:31AM

I thought it was a good idea also that I've thought about before. It'd be nice if ebay offered sellers an option like extended bidding like large auction houses such as Heritage have, where there is a 30 minute clock. I agree it doesn't have to be that long, maybe even 5-10 minutes would be good enough (e.g., just long enough for ebay to send a message to the previous high bidder that they've been outbid). The other things that would be nice for sellers if to be able to have options to block buyers who have too many retractions and to give buyers negative feedback.

On the buyer side, I think ebay could still do a lot better job in preventing shill bidding.

LanceNewmanOCC · November 1, 2013 3:38AM

<< An auction was extended 10 seconds every time there is a bid in the final seconds. So that all the bidding is complete and that a bidding war could erupt. When there are no bids for 10 seconds, then the auction could end. >>

i respectfully and completely disagree and despise that format on those sites that do it. (which is why i'm not a member on those sites, they can do it all they want, so long as i'm not forced to participate)

just one man's opinion.

<< ...they went back to the $50 max final value fee for coins. >>

this is a good start.

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LindeDad · November 1, 2013 4:01AM

If there were more bidders. Simply put people aren't buying now.

mrpotatoheadd · November 1, 2013 4:05AM

<< I assume you have been to a real auction. Have you ever been to one where the bidding stopped at a set time while people were still bidding? >>

Have you ever seen a bid board? That's how they work.

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD · November 1, 2013 4:09AM

I just stumbled upon this listing on eBay…I wanted to start my own thread with it but since it's OT and not US coin related, I'll post the link here...WTH

eBay LINK

Erik

kryptonitecomics · November 1, 2013 6:21AM

<< they allowed negative feedback to be left for buyers. Buyer feedback currently serves no purpose. >>

+1

TomB · November 1, 2013 7:14AM

<< 

<< It seems to be a pretty elaborate way of getting around the idea of simply bidding what you are willing to pay and then walking away. >>

I assume you have been to a real auction. Have you ever been to one where the bidding stopped at a set time while people were still bidding? Auctions should end when people are finished bidding. Making an auction not close until there have been no bids for 10 seconds would absolutely cause items to sell for more money. >>

Yes, I have been to many real auctions and they allow in-hand inspection of every lot prior to bidding. Does ebay do that? No? Apples and oranges.

19Lyds · November 1, 2013 8:37AM

I agree.

The feeling that eBay is an "easy pickings" place to shop has not been good for the coin market IMO.

19Lyds · November 1, 2013 8:39AM

<< Bidding wars do erupt, they just tend to based on one shot nuke bids that one could argue are bigger than a wait a see bid that transpire on the extended duration auction houses like DLRC >>

The only real problem is that if 2 "true" nuke bids occur, usually the winner will return the piece after having overpaid.

Anymore, eBay has turned into an "approval" service for coins which is just not right IMO.

19Lyds · November 1, 2013 8:50AM

Hmmmm. I just completed a survey from eBay regarding upcoming changes to the feedback system.

I took a couple of things away from it.

Buyer and Seller feedback would have separate ratings. No longer could a seller buy a bunch of cheap items just to get the feedback up and then turn around and sell proclaiming, Check out my feedback. I suppose there are pluses and minuses with this in that a lot of coin sellers buy with one ID and sell with another just to keep folks from knowing what they've bought and what they've resold.

Buyer "may" be able to leave sellers feedback without buying anything.Of course, this feedback, on currently running listings, would be private but it would be "feedback" none the less. I really do not see any difference between this and the eBay messaging system but what do I know?

There were some questions regarding Shipping Charges and DSR's which wanted my opinion on how I would react if the S&H DSR was eliminated. They didn't bother to ask my opinion on them charging me a "fee" for my Shipping charges even though they have full access to what I paid for postage through PayPal. I'd like this one dropped since the goal here was to persuede sellers to stop over charging in the Shipping & Handling department. Instead, its turned into another "money maker" for eBay.

I think that if eBay wants to play the auction game, then they should start treating auctions like auctions giving EVERYBODY a fair shake at raising their bids. Put an end to this sniping business and let the bidders bid.

Imagine the surprise if bidding were suddenly stopped before TDN could drop that 8.5 million dollar bid!

silvereagle · November 1, 2013 9:40AM

<< As a buyer NO WAY

As a seller, seems like a great idea....

Ebay is all about the buyers so no way it happens. >>

Yeah it makes no sense for a business to be all about its customers.

silvereagle · November 1, 2013 9:47AM

<< they allowed negative feedback to be left for buyers. Buyer feedback currently serves no purpose. >>

Flippers err I mean sellers have the option to

#1. allow only buyers with a certain number of feedback

#2. buyers who have been with Ebay a certain amount of time,

#3. Buyers who have been "pre-Qualified" by the flipper err I mean seller.

#4. Buyers who don't have any non pay strikes

etc etc

You guys have plenty of control over your auctions. The only thing the no "negative feedback for buyers" policy has done is make it harder for flippers err I mean sellers to extort positive feedback from buyers.

How many times did I see in a listing - " I leave feedback only after the buyer leaves feedback. I ALWAYS recriprocate feedback"

I Saw that thousands of times.

Alltheabove76 · November 1, 2013 10:01AM

<< 

<< As a buyer NO WAY

As a seller, seems like a great idea....

Ebay is all about the buyers so no way it happens. >>

Yeah it makes no sense for a business to be all about its customers. >>

Ebays "customers" are the sellers.

mrpotatoheadd · November 1, 2013 10:15AM

<< 

<< As a buyer NO WAY

As a seller, seems like a great idea....

Ebay is all about the buyers so no way it happens. >>

Yeah it makes no sense for a business to be all about its customers. >>

cus·tom·er noun ˈkəs-tə-mər : someone who buys goods or services from a business

This would make buyers on eBay customers of eBay sellers, and those sellers in turn, customers of eBay.

edited to add...

<< You guys have plenty of control over your auctions. >>

Sellers can block:

- Buyers who don't have a PayPal account. Seeing as how it's pratically impossible to accept payment otherwise, this is a pretty much useless option.

- Block bidders and buyers who have received 2 Unpaid Item strike(s) within 1 month. If a buyer hasn't paid for two items in a month, why does eBay even allow them to bid/buy in the first place? Shouldn't they be automatically protecting sellers from these people?

- Block buyers whose primary shipping address is in a location I don't ship to. Duh.

- Block buyers who have 4 Policy violation report(s) within 1 month. If a buyer has four policy violations in a month, why does eBay even allow them to bid/buy? Shouldn't they be automatically protecting sellers from these people?

- Block buyers who have a feedback score of -1 or lower. Let's see- buyers can't receive negative feedback, so this option is about as useful as t*ts on a mule.

- Block buyers who are currently winning or have bought 1 (up to 100) of my items in the last 10 days. Only apply this block to buyers who have a feedback score of 5 or lower.This is the most restrictive of the the limits eBay allows sellers to use, but really... a feedback of 5 or lower? How many buyers does this really affect?

Yeah- plenty of control.

derryb · November 1, 2013 10:51AM

<< The only thing the no "negative feedback for buyers" policy has done is make it harder for flippers err I mean sellers to extort positive feedback from buyers. >>

It removed ebay sellers' ability to warn other sellers on who the scamming buyers are.

<< Flippers err I mean sellers have the option to
#1. allow only buyers with a certain number of feedback
#2. buyers who have been with Ebay a certain amount of time,
#3. Buyers who have been "pre-Qualified" by the flipper err I mean seller.
#4. Buyers who don't have any non pay strikes >>

Wrong. Sellers cannot block buyers/bidders who:
#1. have have a certain amount of feedback unless it is a negative feedback number.
#2. have been with ebay a certain amount of time.
#3. have been pre-qualified by the seller other than the limitations outlined below.
#4. have only 1 non-pay strike.

Blocking ebay buyers is limited to:
-those with no paypal account
-those with two or more unpaid item cases
-those in a country you do not ship to
-those with four or more policy violations
-those with a feed back score of -1 or lower
-those who have bid on or bought your items in the last 10 days with an option to block only those with a feedback score from 0 to 5.
Any and all of these limited limitations can be selected by the seller at the time the listing is created.

Sellers should have more freedom in imposing greater restrictions. For one, sellers should be allowed to opt out from accepting a paypal payment made with a buyer's credit card since credit card payments are the largest weakness in seller protection. The market itself would determine what would be reasonable seller restrictions - too strict, no sales. Let the seller determine the size of his buyer/bidder pool.

Type2 · November 1, 2013 4:18PM

I think you are right. That is why the GSA and some of the other auctions do it as well if you bid it gives you 5min for the next bidder to think about it but it's still not much time when you are bidding. I ran up a guy $5k once then stop bidding it was worth it but he did not get as good of a deal.

GrumpyEd · November 1, 2013 6:03PM

I think it looks deceiving if you look at bids in the last few seconds and think it's a bidding war, most of that is from pre-set snipes or manual snipes. If it extended 10 seconds I doubt it's enough time for people to think "aw, I should have bid more" and increase a big and make that decision and get a bid placed in 10 seconds. It would work to some extent on some auctions if they added a few minutes after the last bid.

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AMRC · November 1, 2013 10:59PM

eBay should have an official advocate to remove problems that stupid buyers cause.

For instance when a buyer "opens a case" without ever speaking to the seller.
Or when a negative is given without there first being a dialogue started by the buyer. (it is suggested but not enforced)
Or identifying who gave low scores on the ratings so we can "extend" some customer service.
Have a different feedback/rating process for coins, especially raw coins that are well photographed. For instance, if a seller posts a good photo of a raw coin, and offers no suggestion as to grade, originality, etc. a buyer should not be able to ding them for "Not as described." That does not mean they cannot return it.

I could go on, but not sure who would listen.

ARCO · November 1, 2013 11:52PM

Bidders? Ebay is now sellers with fixed prices always 20% higher than the market. Auction style bidding on Ebay? Where?

Tyler

derryb · November 1, 2013 11:59PM

<< Bidders? Ebay is now sellers with fixed prices always 20% higher than the market. Auction style bidding on Ebay? Where?

Tyler >>

Auction style coin listings are slowly picking back up now that BIN listings no longer offer a break on seller's FVF. Same fee for both styles now. It is now to seller's advantage to start an auction at his otherwise BIN price - it may bid even higher.

BryceM · November 2, 2013 12:17AM

A new high bid extended the bidding time. You could make this value-specific. For example a bid on a $10 item would only extend the time by a few seconds while a new high bid on a $1000 item would extend the bidding by a couple minutes. This would reduce the usefulness of last-second snipe bids. As a buyer that would be horrible, but as a seller it would make some sense. What other auction have you ever been to where the action stops while new bids are still coming in?

rec78 · November 2, 2013 1:36AM

I like the system the way it is. If the bidding time is extended in the manner that you suggest, it would wreck havoc with snipe programs--For instance if you set up a snipe program to bid with 6 seconds left and someone throws in a bid with 5 seconds left and even if it is lower than your bid, the time extension would allow him and other bidders to out bid you. A week is more than enough time for bidders to determine what their bid will be. I do not see any benefits to the buyer if the bidding is extended in this manner. The bidders know exactly when the time is up, whether by snipe program or just throwing in a bid any old time. Not everyone can sit at their computer waiting for a countdown. I use a sniper program. JMO.

Bob

mrpotatoheadd · November 2, 2013 1:47AM

<< I do not see any benefits to the buyer if the bidding is extended in this manner. >>

The benefit is to the buyer who is unable to accurately value an item on his own and needs the help of other bidders' confirmation (by their participation in the bidding) that he is not overpaying for something.

rec78 · November 2, 2013 1:57AM

<< 

<< I do not see any benefits to the buyer if the bidding is extended in this manner. >>

The benefit is to the buyer who is unable to accurately value an item on his own and needs the help of other bidders' confirmation (by their participation in the bidding) that he is not overpaying for something. >>

A bidder has to be prepared - not trust other bidders who may be shills. And that brings up a new thought--Do you think that such a system would increase shill bidding?

derryb · November 2, 2013 2:02AM

shill bidding could be greatly reduced if ebay restricted accounts to one per IP address or one per mailing address.

silvereagle · November 2, 2013 6:25AM

<< 

Sellers should have more freedom in imposing greater restrictions. For one, sellers should be allowed to opt out from accepting a paypal payment made with a buyer's credit card since credit card payments are the largest weakness in seller protection. The market itself would determine what would be reasonable seller restrictions - too strict, no sales. Let the seller determine the size of his buyer/bidder pool. >>

Yeah I agree that sellers should be able to limit who can bid. I know long ago when I was a new bidder, I often couldn't bid because my Feedback was below a certain number. I still get the " I don't meet sellers requirements to bid " or " this auction requires pre-authorization to bid "

Just the same, I agree with ebay not allowing neg feedback for buyers. It was used far far too often by sellers to attain/extort positive feedback. Buyer will often be afraid to leave honest, negative feedback because he knows he will get a neg himself even though he did nothing wrong. If you have a gripe about this, it should be against the other sellers who abused the feedback system by promising retaliatory feedback oftentimes stating so in their very own auction listings.

silvereagle · November 2, 2013 6:29AM

<< 

<< 

<< As a buyer NO WAY

As a seller, seems like a great idea....

Ebay is all about the buyers so no way it happens. >>

Yeah it makes no sense for a business to be all about its customers. >>

Ebays "customers" are the sellers. >>

WOW. Not even close. I am going to go into my bosses office Monday morning and try to convince him that I , am in fact his "customer". After all, our company would crumble without us system analysts an our clients.

I am going to tell him he needs to tell our clients ( the ones who bring the cash in the door ) to FK OFF and start treating the system analysts ( the ones who walk away with some of that cash ) like we are the essential ones.

I have heard a lot of crazy things here - but ebay sellers being the customers is the craziest.

silvereagle · November 2, 2013 6:32AM

<< It would be better for most sellers if they really enforced the no shill rules.

Ebay would be better if they did something about the snipe programs so that sellers weren't in a quandary about unreserved auctions.

It would be better if they did not erase accurate problem feedback for the raw material sellers.

It would be better if they had super sharp account managers to help sellers fully maximize their systems. >>

Agreed. Some here claim that its near impossible to get accurate negative feedback erased.

That's probably why jrob23 has been doctoring notes and ripping people off for years and has a 100% positive rating despite having probably 200 negatives given to him.

That's probably why nearly every seller on ebay is either 99% or 100% positive.

mrpotatoheadd · November 2, 2013 7:11AM

<< I have heard a lot of crazy things here - but ebay sellers being the customers is the craziest. >>

I suppose if you redefine "customers" to mean something other than this...

cus·tom·er noun ˈkəs-tə-mər : someone who buys goods or services from a business

you might be right.

Alltheabove76 · November 2, 2013 7:22AM

<< 

<< 

<< 

<< As a buyer NO WAY

As a seller, seems like a great idea....

Ebay is all about the buyers so no way it happens. >>

Yeah it makes no sense for a business to be all about its customers. >>

Ebays "customers" are the sellers. >>

WOW. Not even close. I am going to go into my bosses office Monday morning and try to convince him that I , am in fact his "customer". After all, our company would crumble without us system analysts an our clients.

I am going to tell him he needs to tell our clients ( the ones who bring the cash in the door ) to FK OFF and start treating the system analysts ( the ones who walk away with some of that cash ) like we are the essential ones.

I have heard a lot of crazy things here - but ebay sellers being the customers is the craziest. >>

Clearly you live in an alternate universe than everyone else if that is the craziest you have ever heard. Because sellers certainly are ebays customers. They are the ones who purchase a service from ebay and the ones who give ebay money.

BBN · November 2, 2013 7:43AM

<< 

<< I have heard a lot of crazy things here - but ebay sellers being the customers is the craziest. >>

I suppose if you redefine "customers" to mean something other than this...

cus·tom·er noun ˈkəs-tə-mər : someone who buys goods or services from a business

you might be right.

>>

This is exactly right. The seller is the customer of eBay. The buyer wants the item the seller has. The seller purchases the space and world wide venue with which to sell their product. Just like antique malls where sellers buy space. The antique shopper is buying off of the dealer. The dealer is just purchasing space to sell from the venue owner.

silvereagle · November 2, 2013 8:48AM

<< 

<< I have heard a lot of crazy things here - but ebay sellers being the customers is the craziest. >>

I suppose if you redefine "customers" to mean something other than this...

cus·tom·er noun ˈkəs-tə-mər : someone who buys goods or services from a business

you might be right.

>>

The websters dictionary definition

"a person who purchases goods or services from another"

An ebay seller is just that - a SELLER. You can get 1000 different definitions of customer and stretch them all as hard as you can and an ebay seller still isn't going to be the customer.

You are a supplier, independent contractor, business partner, consignor, flipper, etc.

There are a lot of things an ebay seller can be called, but the customer is not one of them.

TireKicker · November 2, 2013 8:51AM

If EBay realized that THEIR customers were comprised of BOTH buyers and SELLERS!!!

silvereagle · November 2, 2013 8:52AM

<< 

<< 

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<< 

<< As a buyer NO WAY

As a seller, seems like a great idea....

Ebay is all about the buyers so no way it happens. >>

Yeah it makes no sense for a business to be all about its customers. >>

Ebays "customers" are the sellers. >>

WOW. Not even close. I am going to go into my bosses office Monday morning and try to convince him that I , am in fact his "customer". After all, our company would crumble without us system analysts an our clients.

I am going to tell him he needs to tell our clients ( the ones who bring the cash in the door ) to FK OFF and start treating the system analysts ( the ones who walk away with some of that cash ) like we are the essential ones.

I have heard a lot of crazy things here - but ebay sellers being the customers is the craziest. >>

Clearly you live in an alternate universe than everyone else if that is the craziest you have ever heard. Because sellers certainly are ebays customers. They are the ones who purchase a service from ebay and the ones who give ebay money. >>

No, the money comes from the buyers. Plain and clear. So if all the buyers went away, you will still send Ebay money ?Or are you only giving Ebay a cut of what you make, since their site makes it possible for you to make that money. Which is it ?

And as so many here have stated, Ebay is "all about the buyers". HMM I wonder why that is. Obviously ebay ( one of the most successful internet businesses ever ) also views the BUYERS as the customers.

derryb · November 2, 2013 8:54AM

<< 

<< 

<< I have heard a lot of crazy things here - but ebay sellers being the customers is the craziest. >>

I suppose if you redefine "customers" to mean something other than this...

cus·tom·er noun ˈkəs-tə-mər : someone who buys goods or services from a business

you might be right.

>>

This is exactly right. The seller is the customer of eBay. The buyer wants the item the seller has. The seller purchases the space and world wide venue with which to sell their product. Just like antique malls where sellers buy space. The antique shopper is buying off of the dealer. The dealer is just purchasing space to sell from the venue owner. >>

The seller also buys buyer protection for the buyer from both ebay and paypal when he pays his/her fees.

TireKicker · November 2, 2013 9:00AM

<< 

<< 

<< I have heard a lot of crazy things here - but ebay sellers being the customers is the craziest. >>

I suppose if you redefine "customers" to mean something other than this...

cus·tom·er noun ˈkəs-tə-mər : someone who buys goods or services from a business

you might be right.

>>

The websters dictionary definition

"a person who purchases goods or services from another"

An ebay seller is just that - a SELLER. You can get 1000 different definitions of customer and stretch them all as hard as you can and an ebay seller still isn't going to be the customer.

You are a supplier, independent contractor, business partner, consignor, flipper, etc.

There are a lot of things an ebay seller can be called, but the customer is not one of them. >>

mrpotatoheadd · November 2, 2013 9:05AM

<< The websters dictionary definition

"a person who purchases goods or services from another" >>

Exactly. eBay sellers purchase a service (listing space on a website) from eBay. eBay buyers purchase goods (coins) from eBay sellers.

<< There are a lot of things an ebay seller can be called, but the customer is not one of them. >>

And we were doing so well there for a minute. Pity.

derryb · November 2, 2013 9:35AM

<< Clearly you live in an alternate universe than everyone else if that is the craziest you have ever heard. Because sellers certainly are ebays customers. They are the ones who purchase a service from ebay and the ones who give ebay money. >>

<< No, the money comes from the buyers. Plain and clear. So if all the buyers went away, you will still send Ebay money ?Or are you only giving Ebay a cut of what you make, since their site makes it possible for you to make that money. Which is it ? >>

<< And as so many here have stated, Ebay is "all about the buyers". HMM I wonder why that is. Obviously ebay ( one of the most successful internet businesses ever ) also views the BUYERS as the customers. >>

And what if the buyer sold something (including his labor) to get the money to be a buyer - is he now a seller and no longer a buyer? Until we can each print our own money we are all buyers AND sellers, just depends on which side of the transaction you are looking at.

mrpotatoheadd · November 2, 2013 9:41AM

<< Obviously ebay ( one of the most successful internet businesses ever ) also views the BUYERS as the customers. >>

If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have? Hint- using a word to describe something doesn't make it that thing.

edited to add... eBay can view people who buy stuff from the people who list that stuff for sale on eBay's website however they like. If they choose to define them as "eBay customers", they are, according to the english language, in error.

rec78 · November 2, 2013 10:51AM

Buyers and sellers are ebay customers. Without both sellers and buyers, you have no ebay.

Ebay would be better for sellers if...

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