I guess self certification is the new "certified".

blacksmoke · October 24, 2013 12:12PM

This is great...some people will go to no end.. I certify that I'm rich! Crap.. didn't work for me.
linky

poorguy · October 24, 2013 12:29PM

Wow, my 10yr old could have written a more coherent description with a glow stick in the air using a long exposure camera shot.

magikbilly · October 24, 2013 12:33PM

<< This is great...some people will go to no end.. I certify that I'm rich! Crap.. didn't work for me.
linky >>

I have no problem with that. He (whoever issued this - the Morgan Mint whatever) is not grading them. He is standing by his item and stating it is genuine. Seller has return policy. I don't use the words COA (although I am asked to supply them endlessly), but I also guarantee the authenticity of the items I sell. No, I have never had a return of any kind in over 15 years.

Especially not with autographs. I am very proud of this record.

Eric

Edit to add: I speak of this auction and this certificate. Not any other stuff he has listed.

messydesk · October 24, 2013 12:43PM

<< Wow, my 10yr old could have written a more coherent description with a glow stick in the air using a long exposure camera shot. >>

I could have "written" a better one in the snow after closing $3 pitcher night.

coindeuce · October 24, 2013 12:48PM

<< This is great...some people will go to no end.. I certify that I'm rich! Crap.. didn't work for me.
linky >>

This is your 2nd thread today with the same theme of attacking an eBay seller, wherein the seller isn't making any false claims about their merchandise. Other than a typo in the item specifics box (incorrect date indicated), what is it you are expecting from this seller? What is your point?

blacksmoke · October 24, 2013 1:57PM

My point is that his "certification" is very misleading as was the one from earlier today. It's pretty obvious that it's a set of coins that were minted in 1956, by the US Mint so the way I take it is, that he is trying to create some other selling point by falsely representing his coins as being "certified" by some coin authenticating service or agency. Also, I think he could be trying to make people believe that this is some special or rare limited edition of proofs that are not very well known and could be more sought after than others and potentially command a higher premium, thereby making the buyer believe he is getting a "super screamin deal" and be more apt to hit the BIN. So to answer your question, what my point is, IMHO, he is being very misleading in his listing practices. What do I expect from him? Nothing. I have no expectations of anyone as I have found when you do, you are always let down.

blacksmoke · October 24, 2013 2:03PM

My mistake on the date. She has several sets listed with this same certification and I opened the link with the 1956 when previous post was made.

coindeuce · October 24, 2013 2:13PM

Explain how the certificate is misleading or deceptive, when no proactive claim is made in the description. Perhaps your imagination is too active?

"so the way I take it is, that he is trying to create some other selling point by falsely representing his coins as being "certified" by some coin authenticating service or agency."

Really? Did you contact the seller for a clarification on this point?

blacksmoke · October 24, 2013 2:40PM

I thought I had covered that. A certificate of authenticity for a 57 flat pack? Seriously? Beautiful coins by the way. That said, he's trying to make it look like more than it is. Look at most of the listings. Envelope with coins in plastic laying on or by them. Now look at his. Authentic looking Government Seal, official looking paper, the phrase "Certificate of Authenticity", "The Morgan Mint". Google The Morgan Mint. When I did, the closest thing to it I can find is a company that appears to be like The Franklin Mint, which we know has nothing to do with the Fed Gov.. As far as messaging him, no I hadn't done that yet but I did, and good idea. I will post when I hear back. I did however message the other seller who you also commented on and here's what he had to say:

"Hi, I thought it was the Company that had the sticker on it. It is a heavy sealed plastic case. Thanks, Mark"

- mkrk412

So, his response is that he has no clue.
Cheers.

blacksmoke · October 24, 2013 2:41PM

Oh, and absolutely I have an active imagination. I think you might need to crank yours up a bit. Just a touch.

coindeuce · October 24, 2013 2:43PM

And the title of this thread begins with "I guess"

blacksmoke · October 24, 2013 2:46PM

Ok, don't crank it up that much.

magikbilly · October 24, 2013 3:01PM

<< My point is that his "certification" is very misleading as was the one from earlier today. It's pretty obvious that it's a set of coins that were minted in 1956, by the US Mint so the way I take it is, that he is trying to create some other selling point by falsely representing his coins as being "certified" by some coin authenticating service or agency. Also, I think he could be trying to make people believe that this is some special or rare limited edition of proofs that are not very well known and could be more sought after than others and potentially command a higher premium, thereby making the buyer believe he is getting a "super screamin deal" and be more apt to hit the BIN. So to answer your question, what my point is, IMHO, he is being very misleading in his listing practices. What do I expect from him? Nothing. I have no expectations of anyone as I have found when you do, you are always let down. >>

Where exactly is it misleading? I disagree with your broad generalization. Expect a genuine item from me and many board members here and you will not be let down. The coins are as advertised in that it is a genuine Mint issued Proof set. No grade given, return policy in place. There are bad things on eBay surely, this auction is nowhere near the top of that list. Don't watch QVC or you'll jump out the window!

Eric

blacksmoke · October 24, 2013 3:19PM

I know and would trust anyone on here in a transaction. For that matter it would be nice to get opinions before a purchase too. All I was trying to point out was that with the certification paper that comes with, to me it's making it appear as it's different than every other set out there. Just like slabbed coins that are "certified authentic" by a grading agency. As far as I know, there haven't been any counterfeit proof sets (yet). Awesome record on the no returns too.

That's cool.

magikbilly · October 24, 2013 3:26PM

<< Awesome record on the no returns too.

That's cool. >>

Thank you for that!

I work very hard to provide good material and services. I really will not issue any COA - just my personal guarantee and contact info.
Sure, it might be "overkill" re COA in this context - but not a serious red flag in itself.

Best wishes,
Eric

Justlooking · October 24, 2013 6:52PM

Looks like a nice set to me. I certify it "nice." The Franklin looks like almost like a reverse proof. I guess the price is a bit high ...

gonzer · October 24, 2013 9:08PM

<< SILVER YEAR SET LUSTERFULL MINT >>

E-bay's gonna need its own dictionary soon.

poorguy · October 25, 2013 2:01AM

<< 

<< Wow, my 10yr old could have written a more coherent description with a glow stick in the air using a long exposure camera shot. >>

I could have "written" a better one in the snow after closing $3 pitcher night. >>

Wow, you brought it there. Didn't you. I almost went with that but I did not want to go quite that far.

blacksmoke · October 25, 2013 2:25AM

I've never heard Philly mint referred to as "PENN/STATE". Must be a college kid.

telephoto1 · October 25, 2013 2:37AM

<< I've never heard Philly mint referred to as "PENN/STATE". Must be a college kid. >>

Given the grammar and spelling, I'm thinking no on the college thing. Hopefully.

SamByrd · October 25, 2013 3:14AM

but it has a guaranteed authentic certificate of authenticity its from an estate and hand selected just for ebay , how can any of this be BS.

Max2 · October 25, 2013 5:26AM

The Franklin half looks like a reverse proof in the photo.

just an artifact I'm sure.

I guess self certification is the new "certified".

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