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I wonder can a slab holder be able to temper with?

Hello,

I recently sold a NGC graded coin on Ebay and the buyer want to return the coin because he think the NGC holder has glued spots and has been tampered with. I disagree with the buyer Since I don't believe anyone will wast their time to tamper a holder on a low price coin. But I have a no question ask return policy and will refund all his money upon return of the coin anyway. My question here is there anyway you can tamper a NGC/PCGS holder? or anyone here have ever seen a temper holder?
Thank you.

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  • coindudeonebaycoindudeonebay Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭
    Can they be tampered with? I'm pretty sure they can be. Glue? That actually happens from the sonic sealing. I have a few that have what appears to be glue but it's more like the plastic welding itself together and the excess looks like glue.
  • What would you do if your no questions policy results in you getting a return one day that causes you to say something like what this customer did? Just wondering.

    Eric


  • << <i>What would you do if your no questions policy results in you getting a return one day that causes you to say something like what this customer did? Just wondering.

    Eric >>




    I will never say anything to my customer other than " Please return for a full refund". Nothing else. Because it bought to my attention that maybe the customer is right the holder may have been tempered with. My question is there anyway the holder can be tempered with and ask anyone here ever seen one. I am here to learn and gain knowledge. nothing else.
  • I am asking what will you do if you get back a slab not in the condition you sent it.

    Eric


  • << <i>I am asking what will you do if you get back a slab not in the condition you sent it.

    Eric >>



    If the coin is the same than I will send it to reholder or regrade. Again, That is not an expensive coin so I won't wast a lot of time for it and won't lose any sleep if it's a total lost. And I don't sell expensive coin on Ebay either. I sell those on big auction house.
  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    When you get it back look and see what you think.
    If you are unsure post some pics of the holder and you'll get some opinions.

    Also, if you can search with the cert number and find a pic if the coin was sold online before then you can at least see if it's the same coin that matches the cert number in the sales you find.
    Ed


  • << <i>When you get it back look and see what you think.
    If you are unsure post some pics of the holder and you'll get some opinions.

    Also, if you can search with the cert number and find a pic if the coin was sold online before then you can at least see if it's the same coin that matches the cert number in the sales you find. >>




    I have tried the search and no luck. And I haven't get the coin back yet. Once I have it back I will take it to a coin show some expert look at it.
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NGC slabs are easy. PCGS less so.
    Lance.

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  • This is going to be bad. I agree to offer a full refund to buyer and send a buyer a " Cancel transaction request" and he decline the "Cancel transaction request" so I can't get my Ebay fee back(not much anyway only a few bucks) and Open a "not as description" case again me. What more did this A-H want other than a full refund.

  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He's a Loser and won't get anywhere with a SNAD. You've offered a full refund.

    Give us his ebay name so we can block him.
    Lance.


  • << <i>He's a Loser and won't get anywhere with a SNAD. You've offered a full refund.

    Give us his ebay name so we can block him.
    Lance. >>



    I will wait until the outcome and see if he should be blocked. This going to waste my time and energy.
  • He is already past the point of no return. If everything you are saying is accurate, he needs to be blocked.
    All the best,

    Rob

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,370 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It sounds to me like he tried to mess with the slab and it didn't work so he basically tried to stick you with his screw-up.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,370 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To answer your initial question; yes slabs can be tampered with but whether or not someone can do it without it being noticeable is a different story.
    theknowitalltroll;


  • << <i>It sounds to me like he tried to mess with the slab and it didn't work so he basically tried to stick you with his screw-up. >>



    That will be the best outcome. It happen to me once a many years ago which a buyer using SNAD for blackmailing and tried to keep the coin and a full refund. And that is the why I don't sell expensive on Ebay any more. And sell expensive coin to dealer or Auction house.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Several years ago a forum member (madmarty) showed a pic of a PCGS slab that he had that PCGS forgot to seal. Don't know what ever happened to that unsealed shell.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire



  • << <i>To answer your initial question; yes slabs can be tampered with but whether or not someone can do it without it being noticeable is a different story. >>



    I have handled hundreds of slabs if not thousands, I haven't seen a tampered slab without been noticeable yet. I always check the coins to the slab assigns grade before I buy. I wonder have anyone seen a tampered Slab with least noticeable. If so can someone post a pic so we can learn from it.
  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,808 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Been involved in coin business since 1990. Never seen a tampered with slab.

    What your customer thinks is glue is most likely (ignorance on his part) normal, the sonic seal process, especially if this is a small ticket coin.

    I would take his return and refund the money, then block him. Once you get the coin back, and if you believe there is really a problem with the slab, call NGC Customer Service.

    Investor
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The ability to authenticate and grade makes it easy to evaluate a slab. If the grade of the coin matches what's on the label, you can be fairly certain the slab is untampered with and legitimate.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • CoinZipCoinZip Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭
    "I wonder can a slab holder be able to temper with?"


    Yes

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  • I got the coin back today and look at it closely. One side do have a few glue marks cause by sonic seal while other 3 sides is perfectly sealed. I am sure this holder is not tempered with. please looks the the picture and your opinions.
    Thank you.




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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Slab looks okay to me.

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  • CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What your customer thinks is glue is most likely (ignorance on his part) normal, the sonic seal process >>



    This.

    I have only heard of 3 or 4 cases of someone claiming a slab was tampered with, and each time it was a normal slab and a new, inexperienced collector.
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Sure just use a hammer image
  • This thread is useless.. I still have NO learned how to tamper with slab .
    opps temper

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