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Can an 1887-o morgan grade 65 if central breast feathers are weak?

Your thoughts? Super clean obverse and reverse but those central feathers...

In an old small anacs holder in 64 as it is, looks too good for 64

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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Where is the pic need pic's. image


    Hoard the keys.
  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    At least theoretically, Yes!
  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nope, can't be done!
  • superpsychmdsuperpsychmd Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Many from the BAG that broke 10 years or so ago were somewhat softly struck yet clean and naturally bright, thus made 65. Crashed the market on this issue.

    Seen quite a few (made a couple myself) with pretty soft strike when super-clean or well-located marks.
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  • Nothing against ANACS and all due respect, but aren't they known for over grading coins?
    Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

    jeff
  • superpsychmdsuperpsychmd Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭
    I wonder if I should just crack it out rather than send for a crossover. I am afraid they would just cross it and that's all
  • superpsychmdsuperpsychmd Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭
    The small old anacs holders can be conservatively graded, not the newer stuff
  • Yes, from seeing other stuff.

    Eric
  • superpsychmdsuperpsychmd Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭
    Ttt
  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,192 ✭✭✭✭


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    I do not think that coin would grade MS65
    Lurking and learning since 2010. Full-time professional numismatist based in SoCal.
  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,512 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    I do not think that coin would grade MS65 >>



    You must be a heck of a grader if you can grade from a picture like that. That picture is fuzzy. Why not send it for cross over at same grade first.

    To answer your question, however, the 1887-O is known for soft strikes. Super strong strikes are not common for the date/mint.








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  • superpsychmdsuperpsychmd Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭
    I know the pic stinks, did it with my scanner.

    I could cross it but I doubt they would upgrade it from an anacs holder. Thought I would have to send it raw to get any shot at 65
  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,512 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I know the pic stinks, did it with my scanner.
    I could cross it but I doubt they would upgrade it from an anacs holder. Thought I would have to send it raw to get any shot at 65. >>



    You take a huge risk on sending it in raw. But, the more important question is, did you buy the coin, or the holder? Collecting is about enjoying the coins regardless of their holder. If you crack it out and it comes back as MS64, will you then be unhappy with it? If you wanted it in a PCGS holder, then why not buy it as such in the first place?





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  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,512 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would send it in for cross over. If the coin is as nice as the current grade indicates, then PCGS will have no problem crossing it at the same level. It is allot better to spend $50 and lose it to a cross over, than spending $30 on a crack/submit and downgrading a couple of grand.




  • superpsychmdsuperpsychmd Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭
    I thought it was especially clean and well struck. Priced well so I bought it. Will probably cross it over and see whjat happens
  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭
    Not 65 at PCGS. Coins with huge luster, no marks, and a weak strike top out at MS64, especially when greysheet calls for a huge jump in MS65.
  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    my thoughts are we would need to see a better photo that is in focus and of course see the reverse

    LCoopie = Les
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Nothing against ANACS and all due respect, but aren't they known for over grading coins? >>



    If this coin is in the early 1990ish ANACS small holder with the gold foil hologram on the reverse then it is very likely to be conservatively graded...at least by today's TPG
    standards. Would agree with Colonel Jessup on this one. How could you deny a 65 grade with somewhat weak breast feathers to a nearly flawless 87-0 that would otherwise
    grade MS67 or better? The standard can't be so severe such that no coins qualify for a 65 grade. If that's what we're after then let's call most pristine mint state D and S
    Buffs from the early to mid 1920's as MS63-64 as that's technically what they are. We could do the same thing for most bust halves and call 90% of the current uncs as AU.
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  • I have had ANACS 58PL cross at a PCGS 61PL. But I also had an ANACS 62 unattributed Thornhead cross at AU58.

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  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,192 ✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>null >>


    I do not think that coin would grade MS65 >>



    You must be a heck of a grader if you can grade from a picture like that. That picture is fuzzy. Why not send it for cross over at same grade first.

    To answer your question, however, the 1887-O is known for soft strikes. Super strong strikes are not common for the date/mint.
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    That's why I said I don't think it would grade MS65 based on the pics provided.
    Lurking and learning since 2010. Full-time professional numismatist based in SoCal.

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