(!!!Round 2 with TV Results!!!) In Guess the grade my 1st PCGS submission ROBECS PICS ADDED

coppertoning · October 4, 2013 11:00AM

I decided to run this one through again. I am not at all happy with the grade, but it is getting there.

Thanks again to Robec for helping me with the submission again

64BN

A forum member Robec is sending this coin in for me. It will be the 1st I have sent to PCGS (I have only sent in a handful total).

I have a pic and you can click the link for a video also. Thanks for any thoughts I am anxious and excited.

1917 video

Special thanks to Bob for handling the submission and taking a few pro pics. I will post his pics when he has time to take them since I just mailed it today. He is being very gracious. I have read many of his post here and ats and I am glad to have a chance to work with him.

Jim

Here are Bob's pics. They are off the charts.

First I want to thank Bob for his help and great pics.

Bob helped me submit my 1st coin to PCGS. I was thinking about sending this coin to NGC for quite a while hoping for a STAR designation and surely a 66 grade.

However I decided to give PCGS a shot. I was excited to make my 1st submission to PCGS. I have always felt that toned copper is very touchy ats, but I really felt that with the incredible strike and amazing in hand luster that this coin would make the grade.

I was wrong. code .91

Funny thing is that I just received a coin a few days ago in a PCGS 65BN holder that has eerily similar obverse surfaces. Strike and luster. Well except there is a lot more blue. I hope to have this coin photoed also. Just goes to show it depends on the day.

I want to rant, but it is what it is.

Jim

Walkerfan · October 4, 2013 11:04AM

WOW!! I would say a 65. Looks like a beautiful saddle brown GEM!!

bolivarshagnasty · October 4, 2013 11:07AM

Very nice tiger striped '17 Lincoln. I would guess 65BN based on what I can see. Congrats!!!

Edited to add, color doesn't look right in the video. Hope its the lighting and not the coin. Regards.

OldEastside · October 4, 2013 11:08AM

66bn

Type2 · October 4, 2013 11:11AM

Very nice.

milkcoin · October 4, 2013 11:11AM

67

Walkerfan · October 4, 2013 11:12AM

I like the subtle hints of BLUE, too! VERY NICE!!

Alltheabove76 · October 4, 2013 11:14AM

Looks fantastic. Does it have blue ribbon or coin care on it? Looks oily. I love it either way.

drwstr123 · October 4, 2013 11:18AM

Hopefully 66BN.

coppertoning · October 4, 2013 11:21AM

<< Looks fantastic. Does it have blue ribbon or coin care on it? Looks oily. I love it either way. >>

I am not familiar with either of those so not to my knowledge. I believe what you are seeing is simply a ton of luster. Also the strike is hammered even for a p mint which gives it a slightly grainy appearance that may be contributing to what you are seeing.

Alltheabove76 · October 4, 2013 11:26AM

<< 

<< Looks fantastic. Does it have blue ribbon or coin care on it? Looks oily. I love it either way. >>

I am not familiar with either of those so not to my knowledge. I believe what you are seeing is simply a ton of luster. >>

They are metal preservers for conservation. The luster is awesome, but in the video the surface looks iridescent. Even if it was used on the coin, it doesn't hurt the coin and wouldn't stop it from being graded I don't believe.

AUandAG · October 4, 2013 11:29AM

MS67BR

and nice at that!

bob

Broadstruck · October 4, 2013 11:38AM

<< 

<< 

<< Looks fantastic. Does it have blue ribbon or coin care on it? Looks oily. I love it either way. >>

I am not familiar with either of those so not to my knowledge. I believe what you are seeing is simply a ton of luster. >>

They are metal preservers for conservation. The luster is awesome, but in the video the surface looks iridescent. Even if it was used on the coin, it doesn't hurt the coin and wouldn't stop it from being graded I don't believe. >>

Might at PCGS but they are plentiful in NGC holders.

Patches · October 4, 2013 11:47AM

MS71+

coinsarefun · October 4, 2013 11:54AM

I love this coin!
great video

lkeigwin · October 4, 2013 11:54AM

Very pretty. I'd guess genuine, cleaned.
Lance.

Broadstruck · October 4, 2013 12:04PM

<< 

<< Looks fantastic. Does it have blue ribbon or coin care on it? Looks oily. I love it either way. >>

I am not familiar with either of those so not to my knowledge. I believe what you are seeing is simply a ton of luster. Also the strike is hammered even for a p mint which gives it a slightly grainy appearance that may be contributing to what you are seeing. >>

Even without looking at treated copper one of the first giveaways is if your touching the rims with bare fingers and they seem tacky.

I too feel this coin has been treated and all the patina seen came out of a bottle not via mother nature.

These products also enhance the luster on copper by adding a layer of slick.

Walkerfan · October 4, 2013 12:10PM

<< 

<< 

<< Looks fantastic. Does it have blue ribbon or coin care on it? Looks oily. I love it either way. >>

I am not familiar with either of those so not to my knowledge. I believe what you are seeing is simply a ton of luster. Also the strike is hammered even for a p mint which gives it a slightly grainy appearance that may be contributing to what you are seeing. >>

Even without looking at treated copper one of the first giveaways is if your touching the rims with bare fingers and they seem tacky.

I too feel this coin has been treated and all the patina seen came out of a bottle not via mother nature.

These products also enhance the luster on copper by adding a layer of slick. >>

It looks oily to me, too. My question is will it grade at PCGS?? If it does, then I would be satisfied and OK with it, whether the surfaces were 'enhanced' or not.

Broadstruck · October 4, 2013 12:26PM

<< It looks oily to me, too. My question is will it grade at PCGS?? If it does, then I would be satisfied and OK with it, whether the surfaces were 'enhanced' or not. >>

The oily slick part is most likely from a preservative product called CARE which will insinuate color on copper on a less drastic scale then MS70.

LargeCentSeahawk · October 4, 2013 1:19PM

If only I could get some Large Cents with that color, whoa!

messydesk · October 4, 2013 3:15PM

Quick! Look at the URL in your address bar. This is thread #900000. Someone give something away!

Justlooking · October 4, 2013 6:53PM

Genuine. But nice.

joeykoins · October 5, 2013 1:03AM

Exquisite,dude! and Beauuutiful! 66BN

coindudeonebay · October 5, 2013 1:15AM

<< Quick! Look at the URL in your address bar. This is thread #900000. Someone give something away! >>

Thanks for the opportunity to win this coin!

On another and probably more serious note, I call this one a 66BN if it doesn't bag for the use of Care or Blue Ribbon.

coinrollhunter · October 5, 2013 1:16AM

67 brown

johnny9434 · October 5, 2013 1:47AM

ms 66bn. nice coin indeed.

grip · October 5, 2013 2:00AM

<< Very pretty. I'd guess genuine, cleaned.

Lance. >>

Wabbit2313 · October 5, 2013 2:14AM

It sure looks nice! I hope it does not get the "questionable color" grade.

magikbilly · October 5, 2013 3:29AM

Refractive index looks augmented. Like wetting a bit of black construction paper. Appears quite different. Like varnish over acrylic paint - appears more saturated.

Eric

Edit to add - aka altered surfaces.

Shamika · October 5, 2013 4:44AM

65BN and beautiful

Shamika · October 5, 2013 4:45AM

<< Quick! Look at the URL in your address bar. This is thread #900000. Someone give something away! >>

LOL!!! Very observant.

lablover · October 5, 2013 5:35AM

I like the look but think it will Genuine UNC Details 91 (Questionable Color)

CoinRaritiesOnline · October 5, 2013 5:38AM

66 BN.

mdwoods · October 5, 2013 5:46AM

I'm with the 66bn crew though I wouldn't be surprised at a 66+ or 67 grade.

icsoccer · October 5, 2013 6:26AM

Genuine, cleaned or questionable color.

GrumpyEd · October 5, 2013 7:45AM

Pretty but has some oily stuff on it, maybe an acetone soak would help before sending it in?

grip · October 5, 2013 7:57AM

<< Pretty but has some oily stuff on it, maybe an acetone soak would help before sending it in? >>

That's what I was thinking get rid of that MS70 look. Otherwise it's a beauty.

Jcarney · October 5, 2013 7:58AM

Solid as a rock 66BN all day long. I REALLY like that coin.

coppertoning · October 5, 2013 10:51AM

Thanks for all the responses. Perhaps after Bob has a chance to view the coin in hand I will ask him to comment also.

Jim

123cents · October 5, 2013 11:12AM

I'll guess MS-66 BN.

robec · October 6, 2013 1:17AM

<< Thanks for all the responses. Perhaps after Bob has a chance to view the coin in hand I will ask him to comment also.

Jim >>

When I saw the photo ATS for the first time a week ago, my impression was MS66BN. What some see as a Blue Ribbon treatment or some other aid, I see as luster. The wet look can also be created as the result of light placements. Whether accidental or by design, the lighting and lens created an awesome coin image.

DIMEMAN · October 6, 2013 1:56AM

If this coin does not get a straight grade of 66+ or 67BN........IT WILL BE A GREAT SIN!!!!!!!

coppertoning · October 9, 2013 10:57AM

Robecs awesome images have been added to the original post.

Broadstruck · October 9, 2013 11:02AM

<< Robecs awesome images have been added to the original post. >>

Wow huge difference in the overall look... Who's pics did you initially post in this thread

Kyle · October 9, 2013 11:06AM

I'm going with 67 BN

Beautiful Coin

coppertoning · October 9, 2013 11:06AM

They were mine.

I try hard

coppertoning · November 12, 2013 12:06PM

Results in 1st post

SeattleSlammer · November 12, 2013 12:12PM

brutal

Broadstruck · November 12, 2013 12:39PM

91 = Questionable Color

Kyle · November 12, 2013 12:43PM

<< 91 = Questionable Color

>>

91 Questionable Color Any artificial re-toning & dipped copper.

"Toning is a natural chemical process that occurs as a coin reacts to its environment. Collectors consider colorful, natural toning to be desirable and they often pay premiums for attractively toned coins. However, toning can be added, enhanced or accelerated by artificial means, creating the appearance of natural toning. Copper coins are sometimes stripped of their color to simulate their original, red appearance. In most cases, these treatments result in unnatural colors which the experts at PCGS will reject."
*http://www.pcgs.com/grades.html

LargeCentSeahawk · November 12, 2013 1:49PM

That's tough to take.

(!!!Round 2 with TV Results!!!) In Guess the grade my 1st PCGS submission ROBECS PICS ADDED

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