Fake 1885-cc pcgs ms63 on ebay...
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One quick give away is the insert has the numbers 7160.63.12406993 instead of 7160.63/12406993
Good catch on the numbers I didn't notice that at first.
bob
edited: reported and many of the dollars he's sold are fakes as well, he's burned a bunch of people.
Cannot contact him as he does not take questions.
Also check out the other coins he recently sold especially the commems The 1936 Arkansas. I am no commem expert by any means but these certainly do not look "OK" to me.
I say call the FBI on this guy.
All three reported--Please report the 1889-CC that sold also--It is possible to report an auction that already sold.
Bob
His reply was: "is this a joke?"
I responded with a link to this tread...awaiting further correspondence.
Ed Davidson
<< <i>Here is the lot at Heritage 1885-CC PCGS MS63
One quick give away is the insert has the numbers 7160.63.12406993 instead of 7160.63/12406993 >>
The numbers are also to close on to the barcode on the fake as well as the barcode lines being totally different and way to long.
"Hello,
if these coins are not genuine authentic can you please tell me what to look for. I really have had these coins looked at by a local gold bullion shop. The 2 coins I had looked at passed a specific gravity test and the fisch test. They had no problem to tell me that it was genuine authentic. Please any info will help."
My response: "Sure...Your coin is in what appears to be a fake PCGS holder. Here's a link to the "same" coin sold through a Heritage auction: http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=131141&lotNo=24512 . Note that the PCGS number is the same, but in a different format: 7160.63.12406993 (yours) versus 7160.63/12406993 (Heritage sale). Apparently, the "/" is a standard PCGS numbering format. Also, the images of the two coins look quite different."
Ed Davidson
This sold on Aug14, key date, crappy images, buyer left + FB. To pull this off you need the crappy images/scans the only way to do it.
89cc
"thanks I am going to end the auction. I always thought that a graded coin was the best to buy and own a coin guess I was wrong. this really sucks. what about the other 2 coins that I have listed?"
My response: "Thanks for pulling the auction. I'm not a Morgan expert, but others on the forum have expressed concern with several of your current and past auctions, including the commemoratives you've sold...which do look unusual to me. My suggestion is that you post your question about the authenticity of these un-graded Morgans on the Collectors Universe site...I'm sure there are real experts there who will be happy to provide opinions."
Ed Davidson
<< <i>Who has coins looked at in that manor "by a local gold bullion shop" unless he was sold all the coins by that shop? I find it highly dubious that he doesn't know all of his coins are counterfeits. >>
If he truly is unaware, then I would agree that the most likely seller was the 'local gold bullion shop'.
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"hello,
I have tried to end the auction but ebay will not let a seller end an item if it has less than 12 hours left. I will not send this coin out. I have really been educated today by you and 2 other members actually spent a few minutes of their time to help me out with this. what is crazy is the 2 raw coins where looked at y local shop ( The southern gold bullion). and they said they didn't have a problem saying the coins where authentic. anyways thanks for your time."
I think this is the place he's referring to:
Southern Bullion Coin and Jewelry
843 Keith St NW, Cleveland, TN 37311
(423) 479-2646
Ed Davidson
EDIT: One common theme to all Ebay scams/frauds is the blurry image, the Ebay tilt or the crappy scans. If I were selling a better date slabbed Morgan, you can bet you a$$ I'll produce the best images possible, just sayin.
bob
"Have you looked at the other coins I have for sale, do you think all three coins are not genuine authentic?"
My response: "Like I said, I'm not a Morgan expert. But, there are people on the forum who are, and they believe all of your current listings and many of your recent past listings are for fake coins. If you are an honest person, and really want sound advise, open a thread on the forum, post photos of your eBay current and past offerings, and ask questions there."
eBay seller's response: "I will as soon as I get home thanks."
So, on the bright side...perhaps something good will come of all this.
Ed Davidson
<< <i>All three of seller's coins are fakes, including this one and his 95s and 93cc
bob
edited: reported and many of the dollars he's sold are fakes as well, he's burned a bunch of people.
Cannot contact him as he does not take questions. >>
Actually, the 85-CC looks real but the holder is obviously fake.
<< <i>Actually, the 85-CC looks real but the holder is obviously fake. >>
Look closely at the rim and denticles on the reverse. Even with the out-of-focus picture it is obvious that they are uneven and poorly formed. The rim is almost non-existent in places. It is clearly a fake.
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
pot metal coins occupy this style counterfeit holder. highly doubtful there is any silver in it.
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