East India co. Rupee... Genuine?

airplanenut · June 13, 2013 11:09PM

I can't quite decide on this one. The text on the reverse looks a bit mushy, but I haven't been able to find a clear picture to be certain that the text should be sharper. The coin rings slightly differently than a different rupee, but since the other coin is a later date and has a larger diameter, I'd expect the sounds to be slightly different. Nothing else seems particlarly out of the ordinary.

My scale has it coming in at 11.56g (compared to the Krause number of 11.66, but I don't know if my scale could just be slightly off... I don't think light wear would shave off that much weight; the aforementioned comparison coin came in at 11.6g). So what do you think? Yea or nay?

Thanks,

Jeremy

CollectorBob · June 13, 2013 11:18PM

Looking good.

TwoKopeiki · June 14, 2013 12:44AM

Nothing is raising immediate flags for me, but without knowing the series can't be 100% sure.

olmanjon · June 14, 2013 1:30AM

Looks real to me. Just compared it to mine. I can't quite tell from your picture what variety it is. I have the incuse RS on the truncation. There are four varities. No initials, a raised F, an incuse F and the incuse RS. The initial ones have a slightly greater value. Nice coin. Thanks for the pictures.
Olmanjon

ajaan · June 14, 2013 1:43AM

Looks fine, but cleaned?

PeaceBD · June 14, 2013 4:49AM

Jeremy,
I am not 100% sure about this coin. The letters just look a little too mushy to me.
Here is my William's rupee for comparison. Its a different variety though but compared to the reverse of this one the letters on your coin look just off.

Bhushan

Pokermandude · June 14, 2013 7:53AM

I don't know the series, but could that soft/roundness be due to greasy dies and/or weak strike?

cladking · June 15, 2013 10:18AM

<< <i>I don't know the series, but could that soft/roundness be due to greasy dies and/or weak strike? >>

I have the same concern.

It's not weak strike but could be worn dies. I’ve seen it before on real coins.

I lean toward thinking it’s good.

MacCrimmon · June 15, 2013 3:22PM

There seems to be a profusion of raised dots on both obv & rev; the "I"s in the legends also appear a bit beefy.

ajaan · June 15, 2013 11:23PM

Some of these coins are restrikes from rusted dies. That may be the raised dots people are seeing. I submitted one of these one time to ICG and that's the information they told me. This coin maybe a circulated P-L restrike.

Bjorn · June 16, 2013 1:01AM

Mushy letters are fairly common on these, as are another type with really low relief but wide letters (like the coin shown by PeaceBD). The off-set denticles (where they look almost angled) can also be found on the British India coins... so I don't think either of these two factors by themselves would rule it out.

-Bjorn

airplanenut · June 16, 2013 6:34AM

Thanks for the opinions, everyone. I do agree with sir that the coin has likely been cleaned, but I don't th ink it has been harshly cleaned as there aren't heavy hairlines.

coinkat · June 16, 2013 7:34AM

I have been reluctant to comment on this one mainly because I have not seen many of these in hand. The William IIII Rupees are marginally more difficult to obtain. There looks to be an indentation in the obverse field above the dot and across from the G in KING. The M in WILLIAM may be another key as it may have been slightly repunched or it is a shadow from a prior cleaning. Take a good look at the M and if it is crisp. then the likelihood of it being good increased- at least from where I sit

East India co. Rupee... Genuine?

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