Is good news bad for prices of precious metals?

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  • roadrunner
    roadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Counterpoint to the above article

    Thought it was interesting that I ran across this just an hour ago on a blog I read. Always 2 sides to a story.
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  • derryb
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    << <i>Counterpoint to the above article

    Thought it was interesting that I ran across this just an hour ago on a blog I read. Always 2 sides to a story. >>


    regardless which side one chooses, a valid question still remains: "Are We On The Verge Of Witnessing The Death Of The Paper Gold Scam?"
    My link asks it, yours does not dispel it.

    Two sides are always better than one.

    Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat

  • bluelobster
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    "I got 100% out of stocks because it is a totally rigged game. I'm into precious metals because I believe that they will protect me for the duration of this rat-infested Congress & Presidency"

    Totally rigged? I'm sure there are some like minded on this particular forum that believe that, so you're not alone by any means.

    It been my experience, over 30 years, that most fully reporting Nasdaq or big board stocks go up or down in the LONG RUN bases on there ability to make products, provide services or develop resources that people buy or don't buy at levels that are going top make that company profitable or not. In the sort run there is always manipulation buy shorts longs and shady dealings, no different than the metals market, real estate or baseball cards. I don't invest for the short run I know most on here don't as well, so I think the manipulation arguments are over exaggerated in almost any market over the longterm. Maybe I'm missing something but a vocal number of folks on here are always venting about manipulation in the metals market, but some on here apparently put virtually every long term investing dime in the same market they lament is being manipulated by the "banksters" or fed?

    I have some physical metals and some mining stocks so I'm not anti metals, neither are most of the less than die-hard bugs on here. There is no perfect investment, there is no crystal ball, there are only less than brilliant humans, well most of us anyway image , trying to not blow up our portfolios in the short run and prosper in the long run. I don't think making a undiversified all or nothing bet, in a less than liquid market (physical metals), is the best way to accomplish it....but that's just me.
  • jmski52
    jmski52 Posts: 24,011 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    "Are We On The Verge Of Witnessing The Death Of The Paper Gold Scam?"

    Never underestimate the possibility that the game can continue longer than anyone thinks possible.

    And even if the game plays itself out, there's no guarantees about what will maintain value. Lots of educated guesses, but no guarantees.
    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • Baley
    Baley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Be safe out there!

    You Only Live Once

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  • Baley
    Baley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    You Oughta Look Out

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  • Justlooking
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    The market went up today because of bad news. Investors are betting a weakening economy will prompt the Fed to continue QE, so the party could last a little longer.

    A weak dollar should mean higher gold prices ... nothing makes sense anymore.
    Let's try not to get upset.
  • VanHalen
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    << <i>The market went up today because of bad news. Investors are betting a weakening economy will prompt the Fed to continue QE, so the party could last a little longer.

    A weak dollar should mean higher gold prices ... nothing makes sense anymore. >>



    I wonder if the mainstream media will be taken to the task for their continuous propagating of propaganda? image
  • DeepCoin
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    Equity markets continue to rally and gold is testing 1200 as I write this
    Retired United States Mint guy, now working on an Everyman Type Set.
  • Baley
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    WWIII delayed a little while longer... maybe sell off some gold and silver today image

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  • s4ny
    s4ny Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭
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    Yes, good news is bad. Look at gold this week as it now appears that nothing
    is going to happen in Syria.
  • derryb
    derryb Posts: 38,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Not really, five years of bad economic news are not being accurately reflected.

    Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat

  • Baley
    Baley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Yes they are starting to be

    but of course, PM holders 'know' that all that data is fake, the markets are wrong, and they, the PM bulls, are "not wrong, just not right yet" image

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  • Baley
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    Unemployment is down, the dollar is stronger, the stock market and real estate market have been doing well..

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  • derryb
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    << <i>Unemployment is down, the dollar is stronger, the stock market and real estate market have been doing well.. >>


    I didn't buy it in 2007 and see even less reason to buy it now. The dollar is the prettiest pig in an ugly pig contest. Doesn't mean the dollar is not ugly - only means it is not as ugly.

    Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat

  • jmski52
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    Maybe they can keep it going for a long, long time, fueled mainly on debt creation.

    I don't think that we've earned any favors from anyone who matters lately so I'm not sure how they're going to continue the current ways of doing business much longer.

    Bernanke said as much, that in terms of the dollar it really doesn't matter so much what happens outside our borders, only inside them. He had no real concern for trade or the costs of imports. I think he was dead wrong on that, but hey, I'm not the Fed chair.
    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • TwoSides2aCoin
    TwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,223 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    There's not much difference between
    + 17 trillion and
    - 17 trillion that our leaders can't figure out live on C-Span. We raise the debt ceiling then sigh because nothing collapsed with the insertion of QE.

    Of course, they (our leaders) are not underground digging in the mines, and those miners aren't being paid in "metal" or with much respect if it's a paper pay day. So thank the unions for protecting the workers.

    There's a reason China called the U.S. " Paper Tiger." Our paper's pretty tough stuff in the world, and our pen is mightier than our nuclear teeth.
  • tneig
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    I'm putting this on the refrigerator....

    image
    COA
  • Baley
    Baley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @tneig said:
    I'm putting this on the refrigerator....

    Is it still on the fridge 5 years later?

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  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,088 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    the way it moves, it would take some substantial news to keep gold aloft or down for extended periods.

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  • RedneckHB
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    Holders of PM have seen their purchasing power decline by 60-80% since this thread was started.

    Maybe they (PMs) are a relative value now.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • rawteam1
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    @tneig said:
    I'm putting this on the refrigerator....

    Another winnner from dbc, looks like Dow up 10,000 points from there, prolly qqq, spx and every other one also up big...

    I tell ya the man is a genius...

    keceph `anah
  • derryb
    derryb Posts: 38,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 12, 2019 2:35AM
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    @rawteam1 said:

    @tneig said:
    I'm putting this on the refrigerator....

    Another winnner from dbc, looks like Dow up 10,000 points from there, prolly qqq, spx and every other one also up big...

    I tell ya the man is a genius...

    must be, the trolls love him.

    Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat

  • topstuf
    topstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Hard to decide if good or bad news....but.... I personally expect China and India to be doing well ....VERY WELL... in the future.
    I'm also seeing the US deteriorating in world power. Both China and India really like gold.

    Ergo..... so do I. :)

  • Higashiyama
    Higashiyama Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I hope you are right about China and India. I expect the United States to be doing well. China and India have the potential to do well, but face extraordinary political, environmental (especially water), and demographic issues.

    Higashiyama