Counterfeit? -- 1853 Gold 1/4 Dollar California Fractional Token
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1853 1/4 Dollar California Fractional Token
more from the same seller tessla108 -- the fractional gold listings are at the bottom of the list
more from the same seller tessla108 -- the fractional gold listings are at the bottom of the list
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<< <i>Looks like the ones they sold in the rotator case at Woolworth's in the early 1960's. Brass, no gold. >>
remember the cases they used and you had to push the button to make it go around. at least the one we had did. got some ok stuff here out of them once and a while.
looks like a novelty to me
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<< <i>Well, with no denomination on it, I'd say fake or at least not real. Where is the dol or dollar or cents, etc.?
bob
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<< <i>This one is cast isn't it. >>
Looks struck from a rusted die.
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<< <i>This one is cast isn't it. >>
Looks struck from a rusted die. >>
Ah, thanks, not from southern California then.
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<< <i>This one is cast isn't it. >>
Looks struck from a rusted die. >>
Ah, thanks, not from southern California then. >>
Most of the California fractional gold coins were struck in San Francisco which is on the Pacific Ocean and I would imagine that the humid salt air would be conducive to die steel rusting.
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Attributed to Samuel Clemens. ...
<< <i>The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco >>
<< <i>The Secret Service cracked down on the production of California fractional gold coins in 1882 and even visited the manufacturers to confiscated their coins and their dies. After 1882, several manufacturers resumed production without the denomination so they would be legal. Many are predated to the gold rush era and were made primarily for the jewelry industry. I'm no expert but this token may be one of them. They are collectable but aren't worth as much as the earlier pieces with the denominations. The replicas that were made in the 1960's that I've seen usually have a bear on the reverse. Hopefully an expert can comment on this coin. >>
here is one that at least has period style numbers and letters
the bear
and others.
<< <i>The seller in the OP has plenty with the bear. >>
If you see a bear then beware.
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Top 10 Cal Fractional Type Set
successful BST with Ankurj, BigAl, Bullsitter, CommemKing, DCW(7), Downtown1974, Elmerfusterpuck, Joelewis, Mach1ne, Minuteman810430, Modcrewman, Nankraut, Nederveit2, Philographer(5), Realgator, Silverpop, SurfinxHI, TomB and Yorkshireman(3)
bears, california gold, or any other reverse is a clear sign of tokens & typically non-gold content.
Top 10 Cal Fractional Type Set
successful BST with Ankurj, BigAl, Bullsitter, CommemKing, DCW(7), Downtown1974, Elmerfusterpuck, Joelewis, Mach1ne, Minuteman810430, Modcrewman, Nankraut, Nederveit2, Philographer(5), Realgator, Silverpop, SurfinxHI, TomB and Yorkshireman(3)
California fractional gold coins. These usually come in denominations of 1/4, 1/2 and 1 Dollars, and Dollar is sometimes abbreviated to D. or DOL.
California gold tokens. These were minted privately up until around 1871 and are authentic gold, usually with a miner or other scene on the reverse or text on an obviously gold planchet.
California jeweler’s charms. These are made of gold, typically in the 1930s, and sold as souvenirs of the west.
Replica brass or plated tokens. These are fakes and usually feature a bear on the reverse.
Got this off of a website and thought it had some good info.
I would think that most of the items shown belong in category 4.
<< <i>Authentic period 1 and period 2 california fractionals will have some variation of dol. , dollar, on the reverse.
bears, california gold, or any other reverse is a clear sign of tokens & typically non-gold content. >>
There are genuine Period 1 California fractional gold coins with "CALIFORNIA GOLD" on the reverse. Check your red book.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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<< <i>The seller in the OP has plenty with the bear. >>
If you see a bear then beware. >>
QFT!
<< <i>Authentic period 1 and period 2 california fractionals will have some variation of dol. , dollar, on the reverse.
bears, california gold, or any other reverse is a clear sign of tokens & typically non-gold content. >>
+1