Someone just spent $1100 on a whizzed coin.....

DoubleEagle59 · March 11, 2013 3:19AM

Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it, but this coin sure looks whizzed to me.

It ended on Ebay yesterday with many a bidder taking it up to approx. $1100.

Bidders are 'private' so it's impossible to contact the winner to warn them.

Oh well.......

steveben · March 11, 2013 3:22AM

they could have at least whizzed off that black spot while they were at it. the nerve!

ianrussell · March 11, 2013 3:30AM

It amazes me that someone would bid on this coin kind of coin raw.

- Ian

CoinRaritiesOnline · March 11, 2013 3:33AM

You can't save everyone.

topstuf · March 11, 2013 3:34AM

<< It amazes me that someone would bid on this coin kind of coin raw.

- Ian >>

Did you miss the nice sheen?

lkeigwin · March 11, 2013 3:45AM

I saw that huge collection on ebay. Everything in cardboard flips. I checked out a dozen or so and decided most had been mistreated.

That FE is a good example.
Lance.

Coinsponge · March 11, 2013 4:17AM

Here is my newbie question of the day. What does a whizzing setup look like and do people still do it or is it a thing of the ugly past? I am afraid of what will pop up if I do a word search on whizzing.

DoubleEagle59 · March 11, 2013 4:23AM

<< Here is my newbie question of the day. What does a whizzing setup look like and do people still do it or is it a thing of the ugly past? I am afraid of what will pop up if I do a word search on whizzing.

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I believe it's a thing of the past.

It was extremely popular in the 70's and 80's.

A whizzed coin at arm's length looks like an ms68, but under 5X magnification, the coins' surface looks abraded and marked.

Look at this FE coins' surface and you'll see the surface isn't completely flat or mark free.

There's tiny 'ripples' in the surface and this is the key feature of a whizzed coin.

Once you've identified a whizzed coin 'in-hand', you'll never have a problem identifying another in the future.

My saying with whizzed coins....

"They're good from far, but far from good".

WhiteTornado · March 11, 2013 4:25AM

<< It amazes me that someone would bid on this coin kind of coin raw.

- Ian >>

Me too.

Pokermandude · March 11, 2013 4:30AM

I've only owned one coin that I am sure was whizzed. A Canadian large cent. "Good from far, far from good" would describe it pretty well

The lustre was also odd looking. Instead of cartwheel with straight light lines, it was more like an "S" shape. Wish I had taken better pictures of it before disposing of it in a bulk deal of large cents.

LanceNewmanOCC · March 11, 2013 4:33AM

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DoubleEagle59 · March 11, 2013 4:36AM

Definitely whizzed......

Steve27 · March 11, 2013 4:40AM

Neither coin shows evidence of whizzing (i.e. use of a Dremel type tool with a wire brush attachment).

DoubleEagle59 · March 11, 2013 4:54AM

<< Neither coin shows evidence of whizzing (i.e. use of a Dremel type tool with a wire brush attachment). >>

Sorry...you're dead wrong.(at least from my understanding of what a whizzed coin looks like).

Frankcoins · March 11, 2013 4:55AM

<< Neither coin shows evidence of whizzing (i.e. use of a Dremel type tool with a wire brush attachment). >>

Are you talking about the Flying Eagle cent and the British coin pictured? These are EXACTLY what a whizzed coin looks like.

LanceNewmanOCC · March 11, 2013 4:59AM

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<< Neither coin shows evidence of whizzing (i.e. use of a Dremel type tool with a wire brush attachment). >>

Are you talking about the Flying Eagle cent? These are EXACTLY what a whizzed coin looks like. >>

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DAVEatHLRC · March 11, 2013 5:08AM

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<< Neither coin shows evidence of whizzing (i.e. use of a Dremel type tool with a wire brush attachment). >>

Are you talking about the Flying Eagle cent? These are EXACTLY what a whizzed coin looks like. >>

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+1

No question.

johnny9434 · March 11, 2013 5:12AM

<< It amazes me that someone would bid on this coin kind of coin raw.

- Ian >>

ill second that. amazing

MsMorrisine · March 11, 2013 5:15AM

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for your amusement from 10hans5961

DAVEatHLRC · March 11, 2013 5:15AM

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<< It amazes me that someone would bid on this coin kind of coin raw.

- Ian >>

ill second that. amazing >>

I wonder if that was from shill bidding. Hard to believe there are two people on eBay who would see that image and think that that coin was worth anything close to $1100, even if they couldn't detect the whizzing.

derryb · March 11, 2013 5:18AM

<< Bidders are 'private' so it's impossible to contact the winner to warn them. >>

That should prove to be an interesting hobby.

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DoubleEagle59 · March 11, 2013 5:21AM

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<< Bidders are 'private' so it's impossible to contact the winner to warn them. >>

That should prove to be an interesting hobby. >>

I may have worded that incorrectly.

I never warn bidders during an auction as I believe that to be ethically and perhaps legally wrong.

But I have many times contacted the winner of a problem or fake coin and have advised them to have their coin checked out by an expert and many times I've been thanked afterwards.

derryb · March 11, 2013 5:33AM

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<< Bidders are 'private' so it's impossible to contact the winner to warn them. >>

That should prove to be an interesting hobby. >>

I may have worded that incorrectly.

I never warn bidders during an auction as I believe that to be ethically and perhaps legally wrong.

But I have many times contacted the winner of a problem or fake coin and have advised them to have their coin checked out by an expert and many times I've been thanked afterwards. >>

Have you ever been thanked by a seller's lawyer for sending business his way? All it takes is being wrong one time with the right seller.
Do you give the seller the courtesy of letting him know that you are contacting his buyers and questioning his product? I'm actually surprised ebay hasn't stopped you from doing this.

DoubleEagle59 · March 11, 2013 5:38AM

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<< Bidders are 'private' so it's impossible to contact the winner to warn them. >>

That should prove to be an interesting hobby. >>

I may have worded that incorrectly.

I never warn bidders during an auction as I believe that to be ethically and perhaps legally wrong.

But I have many times contacted the winner of a problem or fake coin and have advised them to have their coin checked out by an expert and many times I've been thanked afterwards. >>

Have you ever been thanked by a seller's lawyer for sending business his way? All it takes is being wrong one time with the right seller.
Do you give the seller the courtesy of letting him know that you are contacting his buyers and questioning his product? >>

No to both questions.

You're implying I perhaps should stop?

Is there a better way I should go about trying to save these ripped of buyers from buying $2 Chinese fakes for $600?

derryb · March 11, 2013 5:42AM

I'm implying you better be sure you are correct.

just sounds risky, from a legal point of view, especially if you're wrong.

DoubleEagle59 · March 11, 2013 5:46AM

<< I'm implying you better be sure you are correct.

just sounds risky, from a legal point of view, especially if you're wrong. >>

I re-read my previous answer and it sounded like I was angry, but I was not...just asking that's all.

When I do contact the winner I do make sure that I'm 100% correct about the coin being a fake (or perhaps whizzed).

I believe there are many other posters here that also contact the winner of a fake coin.

derryb · March 11, 2013 5:52AM

<< 

<< I'm implying you better be sure you are correct.

just sounds risky, from a legal point of view, especially if you're wrong. >>

I re-read my previous answer and it sounded like I was angry, but I was not...just asking that's all.

When I do contact the winner I do make sure that I'm 100% correct about the coin being a fake (or perhaps whizzed).

I believe there are many other posters here that also contact the winner of a fake coin. >>

Hopefully they too are 100% sure of their photo diagnosis and also aware of the legal posibilities if they are wrong.

tlake22 · March 11, 2013 5:55AM

people need to keep thier noses on thier own faces

NumisOxide · March 11, 2013 7:14AM

I thought I read that a whizzed coin would have a "luster look" like the bottom of a cleaned cooking pan? Something similiar to that. The FEC def looks whizzed.

keyman64 · March 11, 2013 7:20AM

<< It amazes me that someone would bid on this coin kind of coin raw.

- Ian >>

Me Too! That's a lot of money for a raw coin.

thisnamztaken · March 11, 2013 7:39AM

Gee whizzzz, that spot is ugly.

Darwin · March 11, 2013 8:32AM

A while ago I posted a message here asking members about whether or not the coins this person offered for sale were genuine and as described and was flamed for unfairly singling out this person and damaging their reputation. Maybe the seller is a member here?

Darwin · March 11, 2013 8:33AM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1914-MS-KEY-DATE-INDIAN-HEAD-2-50-GOLD-COIN-FROM-HUGE-ESTATE-/271168268169?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item3f22e36789&nma=true&si=D%2B%2BtYjprh4mB9KOfcSTVTVCl52k%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

A whizzed 1914 p 2.50 gold, labeled as "MS 64" goes for moon money raw...same seller.

LanceNewmanOCC · March 11, 2013 8:42AM

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these threads are connected - same seller
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DoubleEagle59 · March 11, 2013 8:46AM

<< http://www.ebay.com/itm/1914-MS-KEY-DATE-INDIAN-HEAD-2-50-GOLD-COIN-FROM-HUGE-ESTATE-/271168268169?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item3f22e36789&nma=true&si=D%2B%2BtYjprh4mB9KOfcSTVTVCl52k%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

A whizzed 1914 p 2.50 gold, labeled as "MS 64" goes for moon money raw...same seller. >>

I don't know if this one's been whizzed.

Just like derryb replied to me 'I hope you're 100% when contacting the winners' this one I'm not so sure about and in this case, I would definitely NOT contact the winner because I'm not 100% sure if the coin has been tampered with.

It does look 'funny', I'll give you that, but not definite, imho.

MsMorrisine · March 11, 2013 9:07AM

<< A while ago I posted a message here asking members about whether or not the coins this person offered for sale were genuine and as described and was flamed for unfairly singling out this person and damaging their reputation. Maybe the seller is a member here? >>

this thread?

and a number of people said your qestions were ok, and even a few pointed out problems hinted at in the feedback.

not out of the ordinary, you got mixed replies. no big deal.

Even if not cleaned or otherwise tortured, I would carefully consider any grade appearing on a cardboard holder in a photo.

perhaps ebay needs a no private feedback rule for coin, currency, stamp and other paper collectible sellers.

either that or if they sell cleaned junk X times in a year, they get NARU'd.

MsMorrisine · March 11, 2013 9:18AM

<< Bidders are 'private' so it's impossible to contact the winner to warn them.
>>

it would be more trouble and harder to get a reply, but the winners' identities are provided in the feedback, it's just that you have no idea what they bought or if it is any good or not. It's definitely a legal minefield.

SUMORADA · March 11, 2013 9:24AM

Gee whizzzz, that spot is ugly.

EagleEye · March 11, 2013 9:34AM

If sellers start getting prices like this for junk whizzed coins, they will continue to ruin coins. Whizzed coins should be treated as if they are counterfeit, since the grade is being faked. Report these sellers as if they were selling counterfeits.

It is possible that the guy is selling estate of whizzed coins, but even so, it is wrong to offer them as full grade coins.

TwoSides2aCoin · March 11, 2013 9:48AM

It is becoming increasingly difficult to laugh at stupidity. But for now ignorance is bliss and this is cause for celebration, right ?

TireKicker · March 11, 2013 9:50AM

There is an awful lot of bag marks on that coin!

CaptHenway · March 11, 2013 11:01AM

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Gack!

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Darwin · March 11, 2013 12:19PM

I looked at his/her auction history and saw quite a few 3 digit coins that would probably bodybag at PCGS go for 2-3 k. I hope he is purchasing them from himself.

Darwin · March 11, 2013 12:19PM

This guy seems like Joseph Smith to me. He could invent his own religion and the gullible would buy it.

MsMorrisine · March 11, 2013 12:32PM

Read the fine print of the return policy:

WE WOULD LIKE ALL
SALES TO BE FINAL. WE DO HOWEVER OFFER A 14 DAY RETURN POLICY AS LONG AS THE COIN HAS NOT BEEN REMOVED FROM THE ORIGINAL HOLDER. ANOTHERWARDS
PLEASE DON'T REMOVE THE COIN FROM THE HOLDER TO SEND TO A 3RD PARTY FOR GRADING AND EXPECT A REFUND. WE WON'T BE ABLE TO REFUND YOUR
MONEY.

Justlooking · March 11, 2013 12:35PM

ANOTHERWARDS?

In other words, pass.

EagleEye · March 11, 2013 3:08PM

Yup, it sure looks like he's shilling his own auctions. He's buying his own coins. At least, most of them.

Steve27 · March 11, 2013 8:24PM

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<< Neither coin shows evidence of whizzing (i.e. use of a Dremel type tool with a wire brush attachment). >>

The above response concerns me more than the original thread?
Please explain SB. thanks >>

If they were whizzed, I would expect to see two telltale signs. First there would be round swirls in the fields, and second there would be shelves around the devices. I don't see either. Instead, I see coins which IMO may have been dipped or have had their original patina removed.

Steve27 · March 11, 2013 9:36PM

Look at this coin, see how Liberty has a double chin:

Someone just spent $1100 on a whizzed coin.....

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