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If a 1917 Matte Proof Lincoln did exist ...
WingedLiberty1957
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If a 1917 Matte Proof Lincoln did exist ... maybe a PR65BN version might look something like this one?
(Not that I believe in 1917 MPL's, just like I don't believe in unicorns)
But this is a cool looking 1917.
I bought this raw on eBay from GreatSouthernCoins for $91 in May of 2012.
And PCGS assigned an MS65BN grade on it first time through Secure Plus grading.
The color is just outstanding and check out the detail in Lincoln's hair.
I think I can see every color of the rainbow in this coin (Red-Orange-Yellow-Green-Blue-Indigo-Violet).
This looks good enough to eat, like a nice toasty creme brulee or something.
Photo by Phil Arnold of PCGS TrueView.
(Max resolution TV image of obverse, shrunk down to 1100 pixels, and saved in high res JPG format.)
(Not that I believe in 1917 MPL's, just like I don't believe in unicorns)
But this is a cool looking 1917.
I bought this raw on eBay from GreatSouthernCoins for $91 in May of 2012.
And PCGS assigned an MS65BN grade on it first time through Secure Plus grading.
The color is just outstanding and check out the detail in Lincoln's hair.
I think I can see every color of the rainbow in this coin (Red-Orange-Yellow-Green-Blue-Indigo-Violet).
This looks good enough to eat, like a nice toasty creme brulee or something.
Photo by Phil Arnold of PCGS TrueView.
(Max resolution TV image of obverse, shrunk down to 1100 pixels, and saved in high res JPG format.)
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would get my vote.........JMO
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Is that corrosion on the vest? Looks like it's eaten into the surface.
Lance.
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<< <i>I'm sure this has been discussed, but is it possible that proof dies were prepared, and that after it was determined that no proofs were to be struck that the dies were then used for business strikes? >>
I really don't know that much about it but this sounds very plausible.
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<< <i>I'm sure this has been discussed, but is it possible that proof dies were prepared, and that after it was determined that no proofs were to be struck that the dies were then used for business strikes? >>
No chance, on October 18, 1916, Mint Director von Engelken wrote Philadelphia Mint Superintendent Adam Joyce stating that all proof coin production would be ceased based upon the Mint loosing money
on all proofs struck and the large number of complaints from collectors.
Only the cent and nickel were struck as proof in 1916, no Barber coinage or the new coinage were struck as proofs.
If theoretically dies were prepared as proof dies, during that time period, they would have been sand blasted to create the matte surface.
Even if theoretically they sand blasted these dies and subsequently used them in the coining press for circulation coinage, they would not have the proof diagnostics of full rims and detailed design elements
as they would not have been used in the presses in the medal room which could exert greater pressure and which were used at slower speeds to allow the metal to flow into the deeper recesses of the dies.
The rims on this coin are clearly rounded, not squared.
I have seen 1909 VDB Lincoln cents (non proofs) that had slightly matte surfaces, and were primarily distinguishable by the rims and design elements (besides the diagnostics). Sandblasting the working dies simply
creates small pits in the surface of the working die. This uneven surface creates the matte appearance.
In 1893, it was decided to polish all of the Isabella quarter planchets to make them look nice, but these are not considered proofs.
Kevin
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here is the real 1917 matte proof lincoln that currently is vacationing in Hawaii.
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
In the cases of a 1917 MPL or any other so called 1917 proof in other denominations, I will accept that such a coin exists when PCGS or NGC actually grade and certify such coin as genuine. I take the same position with other supposed rarities like the 1959 Lincoln cent with a reverse of the wheat ears instead of the Lincoln memorial.
Steve
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Realone requested a reverse image. Also, it gives a bit of background and pedigree.
The problem is that it is unique. It hasn't been certified by modern numismatists. It was believed to be real prior to the power of the almighty given to the plastic purveyors. I have not seen it in hand, so I can't judge it. Neither can anyone else who has not seen it in hand.
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THE PROBLEM WITH YOUR 1917 AT FIRST GLANCE IS THE RIMS. BOTH ARE ROUNDED. THE BREEN COIN HAS SQUARED.
AS FOR A REAL 1917 AND IN A SLAB. WELL THEN TELL WHY HAVE I SEEN IN MANY GRADING SERVICES COINS GRADED WITH A FINGER PRINT ON AND GIVEN A GRADE OF MINT STATE OR PROOF.
DON'T YOU ALL HAVE A PROBLEM THAT.
You didnt read my post very carefully
I stated that my 1917 is a Mint State coin and graded as such.
And that I don't believe 1917 Matte Proof Lincolns actually exist.
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