PART ONE--The Facts, All That is known about Gilfoil Coppers, Gary Trugdens 1987 CNL article

ambro51 · February 14, 2013 8:57AM

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TPRC · February 14, 2013 9:06AM

Very cool! Summer vacation....here I come.

shorecoll · February 14, 2013 10:00AM

Copper discs huh? Hey, I just found some, err, um, Gilfoil Coppers.

lkeigwin · February 14, 2013 10:15AM

Gilfoil was an enterprising man. Punched out copper slugs and everyone bought it.

Do we still call it the French & Indian War? Funny name. Weren't the British colonies a little involved?
Lance.

CaptHenway · February 14, 2013 10:40AM

<< <i>Gilfoil was an enterprising man. Punched out copper slugs and everyone bought it.

Do we still call it the French & Indian War? Funny name. Weren't the British colonies a little involved?
Lance. >>

Yes. They were fighting the French and the Indians.

ambro51 · February 14, 2013 10:55AM

Gunpowder barrels used up to six copper hoops per barrel. Near where the hoop was joined with a rivet, the British Broad Arrow was firmly stamped, signifying property of the Crown. Barrel hoop ends survive from the 1770s. British gunpowder production was immense, one year 22,000 barrels were made in assorted British mills. The Broad Arrow stamp varied in exact size and look but all meant the same thing. Royal.

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Another fort close by, fort Stanwix, has yielded two narrow segments is Spanish 2 Real, neatly counter struck with a small British broad arrow. Upper right.

Shamika · February 14, 2013 1:17PM

That is an excellent article that I know you enjoyed.

SullivanNumismatics · February 14, 2013 1:26PM

That's an interesting article, thanks for posting it.

sniocsu · February 14, 2013 1:44PM

Very very cool.

ambro51 · February 14, 2013 9:22PM

It is interesting! Now, we know from the British Court transcripts that Private William Gilfoil, known as Gilfoil the Smith, we KNOW for a fact that he used copper barrel hoops and made several halfpence that freely circulated as money within Fort Crown Point at some time in the 1760-70s. We also know for a FACT that from this era segments of 2 real Spanish coin exist stamped with the broad arrow, found at Crown Point~~~~~. Copper barrel hoops were already stamped with the Broad Arrow. Are we stretching possibilities when we begin to put these facts together and create a plausible theory?.....that Gilfoil utilized the barrel hoop segment already strongly stamped with the British Broad Arrow , cut out and hammered and shaped to the size of a halfpence? How better a way to create a coin which in its sphere of use is marked with an important official symbol?~~~~~~~~now, it is easy on these learned forums to peck in "no it isn't"...but really here none of you know any more about this issue than what I've provided you....for that IS the extent of our knowledge. .......

CaptHenway · February 14, 2013 10:09PM

Do you have a link to the original of that greyish picture with the coins? I would like to get a better look at those counterstamps.

ambro51 · February 14, 2013 10:48PM

The image is of Fort Crown Point google image search. Recovered at Fort

Shamika · February 15, 2013 2:21AM

This is what true numismatics is about.

CaptHenway · February 15, 2013 3:36AM

<< <i>The image is of Fort Crown Point google image search. Recovered at Fort >>

Thank you. That helped some.

PART ONE--The Facts, All That is known about Gilfoil Coppers, Gary Trugdens 1987 CNL article

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