The KING of all varieties/errors?

joeykoins · January 25, 2013 4:12AM

Hi guy's,what would you say is the KING of all varieties/errors cents.Meaning all cents,large or small cents. My guess would have to be the biggest flub of all in the cent! The 1943 Copper cent.How could someone pass this through? One can see from 10 feet away(without a loupe)that this coin is not steel,like their suppose to mint.I can see one,two or three getting out but we're pretty sure a big amount got out,why?How could this had happen?That's my guess what's yours? Thanks-joey

jmj3esq · January 25, 2013 4:23AM

1955 Lincoln dd is pretty hard to miss.

joeykoins · January 25, 2013 4:27AM

True! I was thinking the same about that one as well.Do you know of any " large cent" var./err.'s?I'm sure there are a few.

19Lyds · January 25, 2013 4:37AM

Hmmm. Picking out 1 or 2 copper coins from a 50 or 100 thousand coin bin of silvery zinc coins might not be as easy as one might think.

After all, more than a billion or these were produced from the 3 Mint Facilities:

Philadelphia.............684,628,670
Denver.................... 217,660,000
San Francisco..........191,550,000
Total.....................1,093,838,670

My vote goes for the 55/55 since the production supervisor "knew" that the coins had been produced but to meet his production deadline, made the decision to release them anyway.

joeykoins · January 25, 2013 4:43AM

<< Hmmm. Picking out 1 or 2 copper coins from a 50 or 100 thousand coin bin of silvery zinc coins might not be as easy as one might think.

After all, more than a billion or these were produced from the 3 Mint Facilities:

Philadelphia.............684,628,670
Denver.................... 217,660,000
San Francisco..........191,550,000
Total.....................1,093,838,670 >>

WOW! I like your info.and numbers 19LYDS.Thanks. When you put it like that I guess it wouldn't be that easy.Still,don't one has to make sure that copper should have all been removed from the machines first before running through? I don't know,like you said,it's probably more precision minded and a few technical adjustments that have to be in order?I guess that's the same way that a few of 65'Quarters in Silver got out as well as a few 71'Kennedy halves too?Even there suppose to be a few 1959 Wheatie got out also.Overlapping problem?

seanq · January 25, 2013 4:51AM

Here are my lists, YMMV.

Variety: 1955 Doubled Die
runners up: 1969-S DDO, 1873 "Big Chief" DDO, 1858/7 S-1, 1800 "three errors" reverse

Error: 1943 Copper
runners up: 1944 Steel, 1999 cent-dime mule, 1900 cent on gold $2.50 planchet, 1982 13-coin bonded cap, 1862 "sunflower" split die cap, 1869 cent on dime

Sean Reynolds

EDITED because someone corrected me, the 1900 cent was struck on a $2.50 gold planchet, not a $5.

joeykoins · January 25, 2013 4:55AM

Yea Sean,You might haved summed it up for us?

joeykoins · January 25, 2013 4:59AM

If anybody wants,we can further this thread in a few guesses for other denominations as well? The nickle,dime,quarter....?

johnny9434 · January 25, 2013 5:17AM

<< 1955 Lincoln dd is pretty hard to miss. >>

that is a tough one for sure

Overdate · January 25, 2013 5:26AM

Even though they're not as well known as the 1943 bronze cents, I think the 1960 multiple-hubbed proof cents should have been more likely to be intercepted by the Mint's quality control people before being struck and released. These coins (cousins to my 1960-D avatar) were produced by three different dies - one small over large date, and two large over small dates. An estimated several hundred from each die are known to exist. Unlike the 1943 cents, the 1960 proofs were made in limited numbers for collectors. So the production and inspection protocols should have been more rigorous, especially since Mint officials were already aware of the changeover in the size of the date.

bestmr · January 25, 2013 5:35AM

That gold 1900 cent is one of the coolest looking coins I've seen.

joeykoins · January 26, 2013 12:00AM

How about in the "nickle" category? Would all agree,that the famous "3-legged buffalo" tops all kinds of the nickle variety/error series,being KING? or the famous "1913 V nickle"? Tough choice,huh? you decide.

Jcarney · January 26, 2013 12:06AM

55 DDO Lincoln hands down. Long live the King!

astrorat · January 26, 2013 12:07AM

Obviously ... the 1875-S/S double dime.

JBTurner · January 26, 2013 12:21AM

Double struck bust large cent ....can't recall the date.

1943 "copper" cents may have not been an error or variety.

1958 Doubled Die (2 known?)

1959 with wheat reverse.

joeykoins · January 26, 2013 12:28AM

<< 55 DDO Lincoln hands down. Long live the King! >>

Are you saying that the 55 DDO is king of ALL var./err.s or just king in the cent department? If your saying that it is king of all,alot of people would disagree,me included.The 55 DDO is a great coin(mishap,of all time)but I can think of many,many more.

JRocco · January 26, 2013 3:43AM

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<< 55 DDO Lincoln hands down. Long live the King! >>

Are you saying that the 55 DDO is king of ALL var./err.s or just king in the cent department? If your saying that it is king of all,alot of people would disagree,me included.The 55 DDO is a great coin(mishap,of all time)but I can think of many,many more.

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Can you name a few ?

MFH · January 26, 2013 3:52AM

I like mint errors as much as the next guy and have a few nice ones in
my Barber sets, however, the $2.50 Gold planchlet IHC's have got to be
my favorite errors.

I like the Lincoln errors - 55 DDO, 58 DDO, 69-S DDO - but seeing
an IHC in Gold, really gives me goose bumps.

joeykoins · January 26, 2013 6:18AM

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<< 55 DDO Lincoln hands down. Long live the King! >>

Are you saying that the 55 DDO is king of ALL var./err.s or just king in the cent department? If your saying that it is king of all,alot of people would disagree,me included.The 55 DDO is a great coin(mishap,of all time)but I can think of many,many more.

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Can you name a few ? >>

Sure,If your talking in all denominations;there are the 3-legged buffalo,1916/6 buffalo,1918/7buff.,1913 'V' nickle, 1943 Copper cent,1974 Aluminium cent,1992 Close A.M.cent,Franklin Bugs Bunny,Kennedy Accented Hair,1964 Peace Dollar,Scarface Morgan or Hot Lips,Cheerios Sacagawea Dollar... Now of course,it all depends on if one is talking rarity,being popular or valuewise?

drei3ree · January 26, 2013 6:44AM

I like all the previously mentioned, but have to add a modern: the 25c Wisconsin low leaf (better than the high leaf--imo). Not the KING, but will someday be considered "spectacular."

gonzer · January 26, 2013 6:52AM

Where does the '22 plain in this conversation?

JRocco · January 26, 2013 7:40AM

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<< 55 DDO Lincoln hands down. Long live the King! >>

Are you saying that the 55 DDO is king of ALL var./err.s or just king in the cent department? If your saying that it is king of all,alot of people would disagree,me included.The 55 DDO is a great coin(mishap,of all time)but I can think of many,many more.

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Can you name a few ? >>

Sure,If your talking in all denominations;there are the 3-legged buffalo,1916/6 buffalo,1918/7buff.,1913 'V' nickle, 1943 Copper cent,1974 Aluminium cent,1992 Close A.M.cent,Franklin Bugs Bunny,Kennedy Accented Hair,1964 Peace Dollar,Scarface Morgan or Hot Lips,Cheerios Sacagawea Dollar... Now of course,it all depends on if one is talking rarity,being popular or valuewise?

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Hey joey
Not to be at all confrontational but "The King of all Variety/Error" has to be something that is eye catching, available and affordable to many. Otherwise if it is unobtainable...like a wing stamped Brasher Doubloon then it shouldn't be in contention.

3 legged Buffalo - nice but there are so many types: partial, full, few different years and bottom line just a lapped die.
16/16 Buffalo - Very nice but only seen on the date and really expensive in all grades.
18/7 Buff - Not nearly enough eye appeal to most.
13 V Nickel - in the 33 Saint category, just not obtainable for most collectors.
43 Copper cent - many would pass it right along in change and never know.
74 Aluminum cent - see the 13 V Nickel
92 Close AM - not even close to being the called the King.
Bug Bunny - see the 92 close AM.
Kenn Accented Hair - ditto.
64 Peace dollar - find one.
Scarface Morgan of Hot lips - see 92 close AM
Cheerios Sac ditto.

Now the 55 Lincoln DDO
This coin is visible as a variety from across the room. It is affordable and available in many grades for most collectors budgets.
It is know to both collectors and non-collectors. If shown to a non-collector the usual response is WOW.
Tough to beat this one if you want to put one on the throne.

edited for spelling

LanceNewmanOCC · January 26, 2013 7:47AM

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the king of all varieties is already designated apropos

VAM 44 The King of VAMS

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JRocco · January 26, 2013 7:52AM

<< .
the king of all varieties is already designated apropos

VAM 44 The King of VAMS

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I can honestly say, as a collector for 4 plus decades...I haven't the slightest idea what a VAM 44 is.
So I guess I have never been in the castle.

But I do have a few pics of the Princess

goodmoney4badmoney · January 26, 2013 7:56AM

My votes will be split with errors and varieties as separate categories and only pertain to small cents;

Varieties: the 1955 Lincoln cent doubled die

Errors: the MS-65 1900 Indian cent struck on a quarter eagle gold planchet.

My collecting interests are solely for errors and not for varieties, but if there was one variety I wouldn't mind owning, it would be the 1955 doubled die. I would LOVE to own an Indian cent struck on gold but sadly they are out of my price range. I would settle for a "collection" of just one coin to be able have one though!

JRocco · January 26, 2013 8:01AM

<< My votes will be split with errors and varieties as separate categories and only pertain to small cents;

Varieties: the 1955 Lincoln cent doubled die

Errors: the MS-65 1900 Indian cent struck on a quarter eagle gold planchet.

My collecting interests are solely for errors and not for varieties, but if there was one variety I wouldn't mind owning, it would be the 1955 doubled die. I would LOVE to own an Indian cent struck on gold but sadly they are out of my price range. I would settle for a "collection" of just one coin to be able have one though! >>

I totally agree
You can not group errors and varieties together.
Errors can be eye stopping, hold your breath, how the heck did that happen examples.
But errors are one shots, varieties are not.
The Indian you mention is a great example and out of my range also....

joeykoins · January 26, 2013 8:57AM

JRocco,beautiful list! You just might have convinced me about the coveted "55 DD" What a great dramatic legend of a coin!When one variety/error collector thinks of a coin at the top of their head,I have to admit,It would probably be the 55!!!

tahoe98 · January 26, 2013 9:39AM

...there are some that like the 72 DDO lincoln too.

CaptHenway · January 26, 2013 10:59AM

My vote for the greatest error would be the 1900 Indian cent struck on the gold $2-1/2 planchet.

My vote for the greatest variety would be the 1955 Doubled Die cent, with an Honorable Mention for the 1872 Dime with the reverse die doubled by approximately 175 degrees! The 1955 is only doubled by about one degree!

LanceNewmanOCC · January 26, 2013 11:00AM

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the king of all varieties is already designated apropos

VAM 44 The King of VAMS

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I can honestly say, as a collector for 4 plus decades...I haven't the slightest idea what a VAM 44 is.
So I guess I have never been in the castle.

But I do have a few pics of the Princess

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i'll link the king for you if you link the princess for me

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CaptHenway · January 26, 2013 1:05PM

Just remembered a neat error I saw back at ANACS. It was a high grade Turban Head $10 that had originally been struck as a brockage (normal obverse/incused obverse) and then put back in the press and struck six more times (that I could count) to obliterate the incused impression. We returned it to the owner, and it has never surfaced since!

Jcarney · January 26, 2013 1:16PM

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<< 55 DDO Lincoln hands down. Long live the King! >>

Are you saying that the 55 DDO is king of ALL var./err.s or just king in the cent department? If your saying that it is king of all,alot of people would disagree,me included.The 55 DDO is a great coin(mishap,of all time)but I can think of many,many more.

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Yes.

Oh, and the Wisconsin State Quarter high/low varieties are number two.

Both are stunning, well-known by collectors and non-collectors. Relatively affordable by middle class folks in AU to mint state. Both in the highest collectable series. And coincidentally, both with a mintage of approximateley 20,000. Just enough to make them scarce and desirable but enough to satisfy demand.

So, bottom line, anyone can name their favorite esoteric error/variety...that only another collector would recognize/care about. But these two have it all.

FullCameo · January 26, 2013 2:52PM

<< 1955 Lincoln dd is pretty hard to miss. >>

I'm not Lincoln cent guy, but that popped into my mind when I read the title. It's just so cool to look at. Are there any better looking?

19Lyds · January 26, 2013 3:16PM

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<< 55 DDO Lincoln hands down. Long live the King! >>

Are you saying that the 55 DDO is king of ALL var./err.s or just king in the cent department? If your saying that it is king of all,alot of people would disagree,me included.The 55 DDO is a great coin(mishap,of all time)but I can think of many,many more.

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I'm sure you can. I could too but the question was "The KING of all varieties/errors?"

The 55/55 has the largest and most complete Hub Doubling. Its popularity is without question AND it needs absolutely NO explanation even to non coin collectors.

It continually and always has sold for significant premiums regardless of grade with authenticity (most of the time) being the only requirement.

Sure, there are other doubled die coins but a lot require the viewer to be directed to the doubling. The 55/55 has no such requirement.

If thats not the King, then I'd sure like to see the definition.

jmcu12 · January 27, 2013 2:40AM

From my POV and IMO;

King of Varieties - 1955 doubled die - affordable and unmistakeable.

King if Errors - any double denomination although for me it is a cent on a struck dime.
Again it is affordable and unmistakeable.

In both accounts affordability and eye appeal make the case for me.

The KING of all varieties/errors?

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