Interesting die clash or overdate in early gold half eagle

Coinerww2 · January 24, 2013 4:16AM

Both of these coins are graded AU 58 and images are pulled from Coinfacts. I did a bit of a google search a while back attempting to find any information concerning this variety but haven't been successful. Comments

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Treashunt · January 24, 2013 4:19AM

Great clear die clash.

DorkGirl · January 24, 2013 4:20AM

It's a clash, that's OF in the date and you can see the 1 ansd 2 in OF.

JamesM · January 24, 2013 4:24AM

Appears to be a late die state of the BD 1-A pairing

A WAG on my part would be that the obv die was lapped and paired with a new rev die of the close D variety soon after this clash.

Coinerww2 · January 24, 2013 4:34AM

<< <i>It's a clash, that's OF in the date and you can see the 1 ansd 2 in OF.

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Thanks that explains it!

BustCuds · January 24, 2013 4:52AM

Definitely clash marks like ones seen on Capped Bust Halves.

A "Great" example

johnny9434 · January 24, 2013 5:16AM

theres nothing wrong with that in the least bit

Baley · January 24, 2013 5:24AM

Very interesting die clash, thanks for posting!

I believe there was one obverse and two reverses for the 1812 half eagles, here is the other reverse ("close 5 D")

Would it make sense to conclude that this marriage was coined first, then the marriage in the OP? The obverse in this state appears unclashed and non-lapped

dcarr · January 24, 2013 8:44AM

Due to the clashes I would say that the close "5D" version was minted first.

The Breen Encyclopedia states that the close "5D" version is scarcer than the wide "5 D" version.
Is that correct ?

LanceNewmanOCC · January 24, 2013 9:03AM

Coinerww2 · January 24, 2013 10:14AM

I love the overlay job you did Lance

Baley · January 26, 2013 2:47AM

Yes, very nice overlay, I see now that my coin has light clash marks on Liberty's cheek/jaw, the TY of the LIBERTY headband, and in the fields.

There do not appear to be corresponding clash marks on the reverse, so must conclude that the obverse was clashed with the other reverse.

I guess multiple clashes (of various strengths) are possible, as is the possibliity of remarriage. I will have to take much better pics next time the coin is home.

Thanks again for an interesting thread start and for the additional contributions, there are not very many threads about the type, if anyone else has an example please post pics

DennisH · January 26, 2013 2:57AM

SWEET overlay! Very nicely done and extremely informative.

Coinerww2 · January 26, 2013 3:09AM

<< <i>Yes, very nice overlay, I see now that my coin has light clash marks on Liberty's cheek/jaw, the TY of the LIBERTY headband, and in the fields.

There do not appear to be corresponding clash marks on the reverse, so must conclude that the obverse was clashed with the other reverse.

I guess multiple clashes (of various strengths) are possible, as is the possibliity of remarriage. I will have to take much better pics next time the coin is home.

Thanks again for an interesting thread start and for the additional contributions, there are not very many threads about the type, if anyone else has an example please post pics >>

I don't have a large printed library but I have been unable to find any information on this die clash or any Doug Winter, Auction description, or other details concerning things such as rarity or die state.

DaveG · January 26, 2013 3:30AM

I have United States Half Eagle Gold Coins 1795 to 1834 by Robert W. Miller Sr., who says, of the 1812 half eagle: only one obverse die used this year; Reverse A: 5D closely spaced; Reverse B: widely spaced 5 D. For the wide 5 D he says no die breaks seen, however both sides are seen with clashed dies.

Perhaps someone who has Dannreuther's book on early gold die varieties can comment further.

Baley · January 28, 2013 4:14AM

Here is a somewhat better picture of the obverse, I'll take better shots of the clash marks the next time this coin is out of the SDB

LanceNewmanOCC · January 28, 2013 4:37AM

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i'm really happy you enjoyed the overlays

if you take the first and last one and put them into a folder then open one and keep clicking forward between them it really puts it in perspective
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s4ny · January 28, 2013 4:46AM

Overlay is very impressive!

oldsubguru · January 29, 2013 12:09AM

That is a nice pre-modern die clash. It is hard to fathom how pre-modern (before the advent of automated coining machines) occurred, since this type of die clash was produced by human fault alone. At least with modern die clashes, the machine and its malfunction could take the blame and not the guy running it.

lordmarcovan · January 29, 2013 1:39AM

VERY cool coin- the clash is just sweet icing on the cake.

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Interesting die clash or overdate in early gold half eagle

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