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Question re: 1971 Topps BB Rack Packs

I searched online and cannot find the answer. Does anyone know if Topps produced 1971 BB racks containing both Series 1 and 2 in the same rack? I am looking at some of the '71 racks on Ebay. Thanks!
Nikklos

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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you look closely on the back of the header cards there appears to be pencil writing that was erased. Red flag for sure.

    Edit to add:if To answer your question though yes Topps produced mixed series racks in 1971.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    70ToppsFanatic70ToppsFanatic Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭✭
    Chris,

    Combined series racks ARE possible. However, proceed with care.


    Dave
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    NikklosNikklos Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭
    Yikes! Thanks guys. I guess if there is any sort of red flag with this type of material, it is best to steer clear.
    Nikklos
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    PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,717 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If you look closely on the back of the header cards there appears to be pencil writing that was erased. Red flag for sure.

    Edit to add:if To answer your question though yes Topps produced mixed series racks in 1971. >>



    Just for the sake of completeness, the header card issue also exists on the '71 football racks that are currently up.
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>If you look closely on the back of the header cards there appears to be pencil writing that was erased. Red flag for sure.

    Edit to add:if To answer your question though yes Topps produced mixed series racks in 1971. >>



    Just for the sake of completeness, the header card issue also exists on the '71 football racks that are currently up. >>



    Good point...what both these auctiosn have in common, too, is that you suddenly see a large number of racks for sale
    from years where finding just one for sale at any given time is rare..


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,717 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>If you look closely on the back of the header cards there appears to be pencil writing that was erased. Red flag for sure.

    Edit to add:if To answer your question though yes Topps produced mixed series racks in 1971. >>



    Just for the sake of completeness, the header card issue also exists on the '71 football racks that are currently up. >>



    Good point...what both these auctiosn have in common, too, is that you suddenly see a large number of racks for sale
    from years where finding just one for sale at any given time is rare.. >>



    The other thing I found odd is that both sets of auctions have "Auction #1, Auction #2", etc. in the descriptions, even though the sellers are different.
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    1all1all Posts: 507 ✭✭✭
    Wow! Looks like the baseball racks have been taken down but Probstein still has his FB racks up for auction. Who could possibly think that they could get away with those eraser marks on the header card located under the plastic

    -Doug
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    PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I still see the baseball rack auctions. One of them evidently sold, as that one has been gone for awhile.
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    1all1all Posts: 507 ✭✭✭
    Ahhh, you know what, I had the "auction only" filter on. I see them now.

    Doug
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭✭
    David is correct, the baseball racks are also still up. ALL of those auctions really should be taken down..


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    cincyredlegscincyredlegs Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭


    << <i>David is correct, the baseball racks are also still up. ALL of those auctions really should be taken down.. >>



    +1. You would think by now, these consignment guys would get educated on bogus packs/racks. Hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil.

    Mark
    Project:

    T206 Set - 300/524
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    DtyDty Posts: 310 ✭✭
    Kudos to Grote for catching and pointing out the eraser marks on the back of the Headers.....I think you just saved a few guys on this board a few bucks!

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    MiniDuffMiniDuff Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭
    I'm one of those guys. Tim knows I cant keep my hands off vintage racks, including 71s and I might well have tried one or two of these.

    Clearly, they are both from the same source. All of the headers are beat up, have erased areas and in most cases, the punch outs dont match the plastic wrapper either.
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    cpamikecpamike Posts: 5,561 ✭✭✭


    << <i>and in most cases, the punch outs dont match the plastic wrapper either. >>



    Good catch. The 1971 racks had the circle punch out, not the cross slits like in 1972 and later.

    The 1971 racks should look like this one.

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    The 1972 racks look like this for comparison.

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    NikklosNikklos Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭
    It is a sad state of affairs for unopened material. Oh wait, BBCE just loaded up...with empty boxes!
    Nikklos
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Has anyone contacted Rick to tell him these '71 FB racks he's selling are NG?


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭
    Cough, fake Mantle pack was never pulled either, cough.
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    aconteaconte Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭
    I just sent a message to Rick.

    aconte
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    ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Odd. Probstein is usually really good at responding to issues that might be detrimental to his bottomline.
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    BunkerBunker Posts: 3,926


    << <i>Odd. Probstein is usually really good at responding to issues that might be detrimental to his bottomline. >>



    This seller is currently away until Jan 19, 2013, and is not processing orders at this time. You can add this item to your watch list to purchase later.

    According to ebay he is away until tomorrow...maybe he will address it then?

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    cincyredlegscincyredlegs Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Has anyone contacted Rick to tell him these '71 FB racks he's selling are NG? >>



    This isn't the first time we have had to notify Rick he is selling re-sealed packs. I am not saying Rick knows the packs/racks he is selling are no good. Just saying after 2 or 3 times I would start getting an expert or become very educated.

    Mark
    Project:

    T206 Set - 300/524
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Odd. Probstein is usually really good at responding to issues that might be detrimental to his bottomline. >>



    This seller is currently away until Jan 19, 2013, and is not processing orders at this time. You can add this item to your watch list to purchase later.

    According to ebay he is away until tomorrow...maybe he will address it then? >>



    He always has that message on his auctions pretty much all yhe time.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    He has them on Friday nights because after Friday's sundown it is the Sabbath for him.

    I'm sure he can not use electronics until Sunday.
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    cincyredlegscincyredlegs Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭
    Here is another Probstein un-opened item that doesn't seem right to me. He has a 80/81 bskt wax pack tray listed graded by GAI. Now even though it is GAI graded doesn't mean it's legit. I have never seen an 80/81 bskt wax tray. I checked one of the links someone posted about the history of wax trays and here is what it says:

    "Post 1979

    The last time Topps made a Tray with a backboard and cello wrapping was for 1980 BB. Toward the end of the 1980 BB production process, Topps shifted to a cello sleeve and that was used until 1985.

    If you see any cardboard trays on the market after 1980 BB, (like 1980 Basketball or Hockey) please re-read the above"



    Rick really needs to stay on top of this. To many re-sealed packs are on his Ebay page. He still has the bogus 71 FB racks up.

    80/81 Bskt Wax Tray

    Mark
    Project:

    T206 Set - 300/524
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mark, you are correct. Topps did not produce 80/81 basketball trays. The LAST wax tray on a cardboard backing was the 1980 baseball wax tray.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Probstein will be around any moment to set this whole thing right. I can feel it.
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like another '71 rack up for sale with an eraser mark on the header card.

    1971 Rack


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    cardcountrycardcountry Posts: 569 ✭✭✭
    I'm not an unopened pack guy, so please excuse my ignorance- where is the eraser mark and what does it signify- that the header has been re-inserted into another pack? Thanks!

    Jeff
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    flatfoot816flatfoot816 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭
    nor are those '79/80 hockey trays real
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