<< <i>Definitely one of the dumber ideas in Washington... Actually I just thought about it. Turns out it was on par with most of the ideas in Washington >>
Hehehe, I agree, They say housing is upside down, I believe the whole Washington "Think Tank" is upside down! Really, who thinks up this Crap, we really are in a "Sad State of Affairs"
"The Treasury Department will not mint a trillion-dollar platinum coin to get around the debt ceiling. If they did, the Federal Reserve would not accept it."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Treasury Dept is a US Government agency.........the Federal Reserve is a Private Company.
edited to add....its sad that any one company has this much power over the US Government.
<< <i>Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Treasury Dept is a US Government agency.........the Federal Reserve is a Private Company. >>
The Federal Reserve isn't a private company. It's a government-commissioned (but not "run," technically) bank, owned by all the major banks who have their assets as liabilities in the Fed's spreadsheets. More often than not, those banks are publicly listed on some stock exchange, not privately held.
In other words, the Fed is a "banker's bank." Nothing like a private company.
Also, lol, if this "fiscal cliff" fiasco has shown us anything, it's that no single body of government has enough power to do anything without cooperation.
How big would this coin have to be to contain one trillion dollars worth of platinum to comply with the law that would allow this coin to be produced? Does the government even have access to this much platinum?
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I like that top center bundle...4,000 $10,000 Gold Certificates = $4,000,000!!!
You could have bought a small country with that bundle back then!
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<< <i>Does the government even have access to this much platinum? >>
There isn't enough platinum on the planet to cover a trillion dollar coin. >>
All that would be needed to produce the coin is enough platinum to show a 1 followed by 12 zeros. >>
It wouldn't be legal. The law that created the ASE's, AGE's, and the APE's is the law being cited as allowing this coin and this law requires the precious metal content to equal or exceed the face value. This is based on an interview with former Mint Director Moy. A clad version would be illegal without congressional authorization.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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<< <i>Says they won't be minting a platinum trillion dollar coin. Looks like they haven't ruled out plastic. Or cardboard. Or .... >>
Plastic and Cardboard are rules out since these substances are not authorized under the current US Code while Platinum is:
"(k)The Secretary may mint and issue platinum bullion coins and proof platinum coins in accordance with such specifications, designs, varieties, quantities, denominations, and inscriptions as the Secretary, in the Secretary’s discretion, may prescribe from time to time."
Note that no specific "denomination" is specified by the law.
<< <i>"The Treasury Department will not mint a trillion-dollar platinum coin to get around the debt ceiling. If they did, the Federal Reserve would not accept it."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Treasury Dept is a US Government agency.........the Federal Reserve is a Private Company.
edited to add....its sad that any one company has this much power over the US Government. >>
That "company" is in actuality nothing more than a "bank" which has many, many, representatives in "appointed positions" within the United States Government.
Timothy Geithner was the CEO of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York before his appointment as Secretary of the Treasury.
Is this kinda like the "Fox" guarding the Henhouse or perhaps the "Wolf" guarding the Sheep?
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Treasury Dept is a US Government agency.........the Federal Reserve is a Private Company. >>
The Federal Reserve isn't a private company. It's a government-commissioned (but not "run," technically) bank, owned by all the major banks who have their assets as liabilities in the Fed's spreadsheets. More often than not, those banks are publicly listed on some stock exchange, not privately held.
In other words, the Fed is a "banker's bank." Nothing like a private company.
Also, lol, if this "fiscal cliff" fiasco has shown us anything, it's that no single body of government has enough power to do anything without cooperation. >>
I don't agree with the "owned by all the major banks" comment since "all the major banks" are "banks which have been authorized" (read approved/allowed) members of the Federal Reserve "System". That "System", which is supposedly government regulated (by the very owners/employees of the Federal Reserve Bank) is separate fromt "The Federal Reserve Bank" which is "funded" by private ownership.
Exactly where would the country be is the Federal Reserve Bank called in its creditors?
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
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<< <i>Definitely one of the dumber ideas in Washington... Actually I just thought about it. Turns out it was on par with most of the ideas in Washington >>
Hehehe, I agree, They say housing is upside down, I believe the whole Washington "Think Tank" is upside down! Really, who thinks up
this Crap, we really are in a "Sad State of Affairs"
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<< <i>Wonder how big the stack of paper would be to equate to that? >>
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"The Treasury Department will not mint a trillion-dollar platinum coin to get around the debt ceiling. If they did, the Federal Reserve would not accept it."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Treasury Dept is a US Government agency.........the Federal Reserve is a Private Company.
edited to add....its sad that any one company has this much power over the US Government.
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<< <i>Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Treasury Dept is a US Government agency.........the Federal Reserve is a Private Company. >>
The Federal Reserve isn't a private company. It's a government-commissioned (but not "run," technically) bank, owned by all the major banks who have their assets as liabilities in the Fed's spreadsheets. More often than not, those banks are publicly listed on some stock exchange, not privately held.
In other words, the Fed is a "banker's bank." Nothing like a private company.
Also, lol, if this "fiscal cliff" fiasco has shown us anything, it's that no single body of government has enough power to do anything without cooperation.
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<< <i>Might as well move this one up to the top of the page to join the others.
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You could have bought a small country with that bundle back then!
Darn. I was looking forward to collecting them by die variety.
<< <i>Does the government even have access to this much platinum? >>
There isn't enough platinum on the planet to cover a trillion dollar coin.
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<< <i>Does the government even have access to this much platinum? >>
There isn't enough platinum on the planet to cover a trillion dollar coin. >>
All that would be needed to produce the coin is enough platinum to show a 1 followed by 12 zeros.
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<< <i>Does the government even have access to this much platinum? >>
There isn't enough platinum on the planet to cover a trillion dollar coin. >>
All that would be needed to produce the coin is enough platinum to show a 1 followed by 12 zeros. >>
It wouldn't be legal. The law that created the ASE's, AGE's, and the APE's is the law being cited as allowing this coin and this law requires the precious metal content to equal or exceed the face value. This is based on an interview with former Mint Director Moy. A clad version would be illegal without congressional authorization.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>"The trillion dollar coin ain't gonna happen".
Darn. I was looking forward to collecting them by die variety. >>
Couldn't happen, MrHD. In keeping with your specialty, you'd need to wait for the release of the Half Trillion dollar coin.
<< <i>Says they won't be minting a platinum trillion dollar coin. Looks like they haven't ruled out plastic. Or cardboard. Or .... >>
Plastic and Cardboard are rules out since these substances are not authorized under the current US Code while Platinum is:
"(k)The Secretary may mint and issue platinum bullion coins and proof platinum coins in accordance with such specifications, designs, varieties, quantities, denominations, and inscriptions as the Secretary, in the Secretary’s discretion, may prescribe from time to time."
Note that no specific "denomination" is specified by the law.
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<< <i>"The Treasury Department will not mint a trillion-dollar platinum coin to get around the debt ceiling. If they did, the Federal Reserve would not accept it."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Treasury Dept is a US Government agency.........the Federal Reserve is a Private Company.
edited to add....its sad that any one company has this much power over the US Government. >>
That "company" is in actuality nothing more than a "bank" which has many, many, representatives in "appointed positions" within the United States Government.
Timothy Geithner was the CEO of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York before his appointment as Secretary of the Treasury.
Is this kinda like the "Fox" guarding the Henhouse or perhaps the "Wolf" guarding the Sheep?
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Treasury Dept is a US Government agency.........the Federal Reserve is a Private Company. >>
The Federal Reserve isn't a private company. It's a government-commissioned (but not "run," technically) bank, owned by all the major banks who have their assets as liabilities in the Fed's spreadsheets. More often than not, those banks are publicly listed on some stock exchange, not privately held.
In other words, the Fed is a "banker's bank." Nothing like a private company.
Also, lol, if this "fiscal cliff" fiasco has shown us anything, it's that no single body of government has enough power to do anything without cooperation. >>
I don't agree with the "owned by all the major banks" comment since "all the major banks" are "banks which have been authorized" (read approved/allowed) members of the Federal Reserve "System". That "System", which is supposedly government regulated (by the very owners/employees of the Federal Reserve Bank) is separate fromt "The Federal Reserve Bank" which is "funded" by private ownership.
Exactly where would the country be is the Federal Reserve Bank called in its creditors?
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<< <i>I like that top center bundle...4,000 $10,000 Gold Certificates = $4,000,000!!!
You could have bought a small country with that bundle back then!
Look again, you left $36,000,000 on the table.
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