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Trillion dollar coin idea officially dead

CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Alternate headline: Stupid Idea Won't Be Implemented Because It Was So Darn Stupid
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    tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭

    ...you said it!!! image
    "government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,810 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Who first came up with hair brained scheme? A reporter?

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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    JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Who first came up with hair brained scheme? A reporter? >>



    Close. Columnist Paul Krugman floated this idea. At least he is getting his share of the credit. MJ
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fiscal responsibilty prevents fiscal cliffs. Odd paradigm, but effective for shining the light on an economic plight facing the world. Who's in charge of OUR credit card ? It's not U.S. Coin related as much as it is U.S. Treasury related.

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    CoinspongeCoinsponge Posts: 3,927 ✭✭✭
    The article said that both the Treasury and the Federal Reserve came to the conclusion but my suspicion is that it was all the Federal Reserve. They are a more conservative lot that might play around the edges as much as they can but that coin idea was so ridiculous that the credibility of the whole system might be threatened.
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    << <i>Who first came up with hair brained scheme? A reporter? >>



    Close. Columnist Paul Krugman floated this idea. At least he is getting his share of the credit. MJ >>



    Actually, the trillion dollar coin idea was first proposed in July 2010 by Brad DeLong, a professor of Economics and chair of the Political Economy major at the University of California at Berkeley, that was later popularized by the media (including Krugman) during the debt ceiling debate in July 2011.
    Robert
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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 34,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    no great loss. jmo
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,524 ✭✭✭✭
    Uhhhm........isn't it "officially dead" when the President, who has the authority to issue an Executive Order, say's its "officially dead" or that he will NOT consider the action?
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,810 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Uhhhm........isn't it "officially dead" when the President, who has the authority to issue an Executive Order, say's its "officially dead" or that he will NOT consider the action? >>



    Not always. Sometimes he says one thing and does the opposite.

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    cladkingcladking Posts: 30,337 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Who first came up with hair brained scheme? A reporter? >>



    Close. Columnist Paul Krugman floated this idea. At least he is getting his share of the credit. MJ >>



    We talked about this here many years ago. I don't believe the idea was new then either.

    Perhaps they're beginning to get the idea that you can't cheat mother nature.
    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
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    cladkingcladking Posts: 30,337 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ...Or maybe you can underestimate the intelligence of an Americal consumer. image
    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
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    IrishMikeyIrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
    Darn. That drops the total cost of all Mint products for 2013 by 99.9999999997 %. image
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    EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you make a commitment, you pay what you owe. Congress controls the purse strings (money allocation) and Congress (and only Congress) is to blame for the situation to come this rediculous situation where a Trillion Dollar coin is even thinkable as an option of fiscal responsibility.

    The real blame should lie on the Congressmen who think that playing politics with the credit of the US will win them reelection. Any Congressperson who advocates using the credit of the US as a bargaining chip should not get your vote in 2014.

    I am happy that "the coin option" was rejected, but very saddened at the root cause of the need to think of it is self inflicted and preventable with sound judgment by our Congressmen.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,810 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If you make a commitment, you pay what you owe. Congress controls the purse strings (money allocation) and Congress (and only Congress) is to blame for the situation to come this rediculous situation where a Trillion Dollar coin is even thinkable as an option of fiscal responsibility.

    The real blame should lie on the Congressmen who think that playing politics with the credit of the US will win them reelection. Any Congressperson who advocates using the credit of the US as a bargaining chip should not get your vote in 2014.

    I am happy that "the coin option" was rejected, but very saddened at the root cause of the need to think of it is self inflicted and preventable with sound judgment by our Congressmen. >>



    So, the preident has no responsibility for these massive debts even though the president has to sign these spending bills into law? Or, did that only apply when Bush was president?

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Come on Perry... let's not put this on ONE man, despite Executive power, this is Legislative. I am a conservative, but as "judicial" is concerned, I think we people often make misjudgements of THE MAN in the seat. That's not fair for any of us as "E Pluribus Unum" is concerned. That ONE is not a President. That ONE is a PEOPLE. Lest we forget our government has 3 separate parts. What we're lacking is true UNION because of the DEBT CEILING, which should not exist and our debt has been incurred for over a century. Thanks to CONGRESS. But still, we know throughout history that politicians are not good with money.

    This is why this whole idea of the coin in the U.S. Coin Forum is "thin ice" to be skating on, in my humble opinion.

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    EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So, the preident has no responsibility for these massive debts even though the president has to sign these spending bills into law? Or, did that only apply when Bush was president?

    Not to derail the thread from the OP (Trillion Dollar coin), but Bush has been given credit/blame for the massive spending he instituted, but Congress could have said "NO" and helped keep spending in check. Deficits and the debt were still big in 2001 and 2003. Even though we call them "Bush's tax cuts" and "Bush's wars", Congress authorized the spending. I would blame Congress there too. Now, they need to make sure we pay those commitments.
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    It would probably have a dozen Chinese chop marks on it within a few days anyway.
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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,702 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It would probably have a dozen Chinese chop marks on it within a few days anyway. image

    Glad it died a proper death although it's life was much too long.

    We send these representatives to represent us - if you need a scapegoat, look in the mirror. image
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    renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Too bad. I was hoping to use one as a pocket piece.

    You know Dan Carr is gonna get in on this.

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    How about a $1 Trillion dollar foodstamp? Under Obama anything could happen.

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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 24,018 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice design, reno. The only problem I see with a $1 Trillion coin is that a Trillion Dollars just doesn't go as far as it used to go.
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    I knew it would happen.
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    << <i>So, the president has no responsibility for these massive debts even though the president has to sign these spending bills into law? Or, did that only apply when Bush was president?

    Not to derail the thread from the OP (Trillion Dollar coin), but Bush has been given credit/blame for the massive spending he instituted, but Congress could have said "NO" and helped keep spending in check. Deficits and the debt were still big in 2001 and 2003. Even though we call them "Bush's tax cuts" and "Bush's wars", Congress authorized the spending. I would blame Congress there too. Now, they need to make sure we pay those commitments. >>



    "We The People" elect both the President and the Congress, so the buck (or dollar coin) stops with us.



    Robert

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