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Opinions needed on this NGC slab

I bought this off of Ebay. Not a big deal (Cheap coin) but does this slab look tampered with. The coin is AT and AU in my opinion.
Also there is green lint and hair inside the holder.
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And does the cert style match with the new prong holder. The cert looks like it was cut with Scissors

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And last the sides of the holder looks to be burned closed.

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    Looks tampered with to me. Besides looking like a photocopy, those labels usually not cut that way.

    Whether it's AT or not....hard to say, but have to suspect that given the high likelihood that the holder looks fake.

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    StaircoinsStaircoins Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭✭
    Looks bad to me, too.

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    123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    Looks very suspicious.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,810 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a real slab that was opened and reused.

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    erwindocerwindoc Posts: 5,454 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Have you looked it up on their website? The new prong holdered coins should all have pics. The label doesnt match with the holder either.
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    georgiacop50georgiacop50 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭
    Lots of red flags for sure! Especially the "melt" on the seam. The insert looks like a kindergarden stylee.
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    erwindocerwindoc Posts: 5,454 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I looked it up on their site and the cert number matches a MS66 1945. Since its in a prong holder, there should be a photo and there isnt. Looks suspicious to me.
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tampered-with slab. NGC slabs are easy to crack open and reseal.
    Lance.

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    pantherpanther Posts: 395 ✭✭
    Thank for all your help. I looked it up also and there wasn't a picture for it. It looked wrong to me also. The cert looks the wrong color also.
    he has a 14 day return policy, but if this is a tampered with holder. I just don't want to think He can do it with a high dollar coin.
    Do you think I should just return it and be done with it, or should I send it to NGC for further review?
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    lavalava Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭
    That looks like it was a large submission of quarters. The others are not photographed either. NGC may have an image that doesn't show. I would send the coin to NGC.
    I brake for ear bars.
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Return it. NGC won't do anything for you. I suspect you'd get the raw coin back.
    Lance.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,810 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Lots of red flags for sure! Especially the "melt" on the seam. The insert looks like a kindergarden stylee. >>



    The melt at the seam is a normal result of the sonic sealing of the two shells together. That crack around the edge of the slab is not normal.

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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't see any red flags and would grade the coin MS66 NT as well.

    Don't think you have anything to worry about.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,810 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't see any red flags........ >>



    You don't see the crack around the edge of the slab? The pic shows it quite well.

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    Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭
    I really like the coin, but you are being hoodwinked...you'd think someone would try harder, the tag is terrible.
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    123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't see any red flags and would grade the coin MS66 NT as well.

    Don't think you have anything to worry about. >>



    I see a red flag. The coin is in a prong holder and should have a photo of it when you look up the certification. It doesn't have a photo indicating that this certification number in on a non pronged slab.
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    mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    Most definitely send the coin back. Be done with it.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
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    morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TPG slabs are sonically sealed, which is the use of sound waves to seal and bond the two slab pieces together.
    Is there a way to desonically unseal a slab through the use of sound waves? Pretty crazy that sound can melt plastic.
    It does melt the plastic correct? Maybe Lance could fill us in on how he was able to open the slab without damaging it.
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm worried about reputation. I've already posted about how easy it is to remove CAC stickers and reapply them (I've only done it on reholders).

    The trick to not damaging the NGC slab is to spend some time hammering the edges of the slab wrapped in a towel. I place it on top of a vice. Eventually a side will crack open cleanly. You can help it along by spreading the pieces with your fingers and maybe a little more gentle tapping. Eventually two adjacent sides will split enough to allow you to remove the white holder and coin.

    I've never been able to split a PCGS slab this way. The plastic is harder and more brittle. I simply use bolt cutters. Quick, safe, and easy.
    Lance.
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    goo gone?
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    derrybderryb Posts: 38,624 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have dropped a couple of their slabs that popped open at the seams. Don't believe they are sealed that well.

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    sniocsusniocsu Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭
    Looks bad to me as well
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Seeing as the coin would trade for PCGS MS65ish money it really comes down to the coin itself. If the holder was tampered with, why would that be NGC's concern other
    than to find the tamperer? Don't see why NGC would have any obligation to make the OP whole other than for continued customer relations. For the price paid, NGC might
    help out.

    In the OPs photo the toning seems similar to what you'd find in Wayte Raymond holders, mint sets, and end of rolls. Seems like a lot effort for a minimal return. Fwiw the
    photos in the actual ebay auction look like crap. And I would agree that in those fuzzier photos the coin seems to be AT and AU. In checking some of the seller's other offerings,
    they seem to like to sell problem coins (stained, corroded, etc.).
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    ConstantineConstantine Posts: 2,369 ✭✭✭
    The cert looks photocopied for sure.

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