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Misattributed large cent in PCGS holder

rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
This is definitively not a "large date" 1803, or I would have bought it immediately. An S265 in this grade would be worth a few thousand dollars easily, regardless of surface issues. Does PCGS try to buy these back when they are certified incorrectly as a more valuable variety? Note: not my coin, and the seller priced it as a small date, so let's not annoy them.


1803 misattributed

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I posted one of the 1839 varieties in a Heritage auction last year, that was likewise misattributed.
    If I recall, it was listed as a Silly Head on the insert, but was the Head of '38.



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  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> Does PCGS try to buy these back when they are certified incorrectly as a more valuable variety?
    1803 misattributed >>



    Would likely be handled as "mechanical error" and PCGS would handle correcting the label for free, but it would need to be sent in to them (or, maybe handled at a show they are at and where they may have the equipment to reholder)

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    << <i>ffffixed link. Sorry! >>


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  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Would likely be handled as "mechanical error" and PCGS would handle correcting the label for free >>


    I can pretty much guarantee that they won't buy the label back for the value of the coin they say is in there, when it's not.

    In fact, I believe they state this clearly in one of their disclaimers regarding mechanical errors.
  • raysrays Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i> Does PCGS try to buy these back when they are certified incorrectly as a more valuable variety?
    1803 misattributed >>



    Would likely be handled as "mechanical error" and PCGS would handle correcting the label for free, but it would need to be sent in to them (or, maybe handled at a show they are at and where they may have the equipment to reholder) >>



    Not necessarily.

    I once was offered a medium letters 1830 large cent in an PCGS AU55 holder for $8500 with Heritage brokering the deal. After receiving the coin, I realized it was in fact an 1830 Large Letters variety, worth about $700. The last public sale of the coin came from a Bowers and Merena sale, where it was mis-cataloged as well. PCGS bought that coin back. Whether they recovered anything from B & M, or the original submitter of the raw coin to PCGS, I don't know.

    BTW, the PCGS price guide lists an 1803 Large Date Large Fraction at worth $515 in F15. I paid over 8X that for my F-15 example. This is one of those instances where infrequently traded coins are grossly mis-priced in the price guide.
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They'll treat it as a mechanical error, IMO.

    rays example is an interesting one. I suspect that PCGS either felt they graded it wrong (not typed the label wrong) or they settled somehow with HA. The 1830 medium letters is a tough coin, and the large letters variety is sometimes mistaken for the medium.
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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As the coin sits right now (forget the holder) it appears to possibly be worth the asking price?
    Looks dark, but close to XF'ish.

    peacockcoins

  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    I have learned not to trust any TPG attributions.

    From what I've heard they do not "make it right" when such a misattribution happens, but that's hearsay and not direct experience.
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm guessing that if someone got burned for $8,000 sight-unseen, as in the case of the 1830 medium letters, PCGS would step up and make it right. However, I would assume it will be treated as a mechanical error in a case like this one.

    I'd also love to know who the scumbag was on the other end of the 1830 medium letters transaction, who used Heritage as a clueless front man. I guarantee they knew it was a "large letters" coin. I hope they got exposed.







  • raysrays Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm guessing that if someone got burned for $8,000 sight-unseen, as in the case of the 1830 medium letters, PCGS would step up and make it right. However, I would assume it will be treated as a mechanical error in a case like this one.

    I'd also love to know who the scumbag was on the other end of the 1830 medium letters transaction, who used Heritage as a clueless front man. I guarantee they knew it was a "large letters" coin. I hope they got exposed. >>



    Your suppositions about the seller and Heritage's role in the matter are incorrect.

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