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I'm being sued over a $6 coin!!! OH MY!
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Here's the email I just got! Any forum attorneys want to help???
Hey Robert Lindstrom, Listen Up!
Regarding Your malicious feedback for the purchase of my coin 1942 Mercury Dime (ebay item #130812552816) that you decided you DIDNT like and I promptly refunded your money for; I am thoroughly disgusted with your behaviour! I immediately responded to you on this transaction and worked with you in a civilized business manner and you turned around and SLANDERED my spotless feedback rating on ebay with your selfish, unjustified remarks!!
What is your problem???? Are you some kind of virtual terroist that finds pleasure in wrecking innocent peoples' livelihoods? I really need to know because you sir are completely out of line!!!! I insist that you rescend your distasteful, dishonest feedback that you left on my ebay ratings or you will be SUED for defamation of character and malicious intent(just to name of few). You definately messed with the wrong person this time!
Todd Phillips
ITEM here: 1942 Merc
Here's the deal. I left negative feedback that said this: "Intentionally sent wrong coin. Offered refund LESS shipping! Had to open case."
Bought this dime at auction and paid right away. Seller sent a different dime and when I questioned him he said that the one I won in his auction was worth much more that what I paid. Here's his message:
"Dear bobandlinda1,
Sorry. Please return the coin. That one was shippied by mistake (its worth 25 times more than what you paid) Just return it and I will refund your $6.00 minus shipping."
So, I opened a case after not hearing from him when I asked to have a 100% refund (not including my return shipping). He never responded to the case as far as I know other than to issue a full refund to my Paypal. Ebay has yet to decide on the case but I've notified them several days ago that the refund has been received.
I'm shaking in my boots
I revceived his message in my email account and not through Ebay which is weird, to me at least.
Without dicussing with an attorney I did respond in this manner:
"Well, let's see what the problem was. You did not send the coin that I won at auction. If you truly believe that my feedback was negative then take it up with Ebay as they will remove any maliciously left negative feedback.
Walter, you chose to try to deceive me, it was your decision. Take this email to your attorney, I've already forwarded yours to mine.
Be well,
bob"
OH MY, oh my....oh no
Hey Robert Lindstrom, Listen Up!
Regarding Your malicious feedback for the purchase of my coin 1942 Mercury Dime (ebay item #130812552816) that you decided you DIDNT like and I promptly refunded your money for; I am thoroughly disgusted with your behaviour! I immediately responded to you on this transaction and worked with you in a civilized business manner and you turned around and SLANDERED my spotless feedback rating on ebay with your selfish, unjustified remarks!!
What is your problem???? Are you some kind of virtual terroist that finds pleasure in wrecking innocent peoples' livelihoods? I really need to know because you sir are completely out of line!!!! I insist that you rescend your distasteful, dishonest feedback that you left on my ebay ratings or you will be SUED for defamation of character and malicious intent(just to name of few). You definately messed with the wrong person this time!
Todd Phillips
ITEM here: 1942 Merc
Here's the deal. I left negative feedback that said this: "Intentionally sent wrong coin. Offered refund LESS shipping! Had to open case."
Bought this dime at auction and paid right away. Seller sent a different dime and when I questioned him he said that the one I won in his auction was worth much more that what I paid. Here's his message:
"Dear bobandlinda1,
Sorry. Please return the coin. That one was shippied by mistake (its worth 25 times more than what you paid) Just return it and I will refund your $6.00 minus shipping."
So, I opened a case after not hearing from him when I asked to have a 100% refund (not including my return shipping). He never responded to the case as far as I know other than to issue a full refund to my Paypal. Ebay has yet to decide on the case but I've notified them several days ago that the refund has been received.
I'm shaking in my boots
I revceived his message in my email account and not through Ebay which is weird, to me at least.
Without dicussing with an attorney I did respond in this manner:
"Well, let's see what the problem was. You did not send the coin that I won at auction. If you truly believe that my feedback was negative then take it up with Ebay as they will remove any maliciously left negative feedback.
Walter, you chose to try to deceive me, it was your decision. Take this email to your attorney, I've already forwarded yours to mine.
Be well,
bob"
OH MY, oh my....oh no
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Oh, he sent me a 1942 dime with a staple scratch across the face and about 4 grades less.
bob
<< <i>I wonder why he can't get that 1816 half dollar certified!
Oh, he sent me a 1942 dime with a staple scratch across the face and about 4 grades less.
bob
What a tool.
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<< <i>Keep eBay in the loop regarding his behavior and threats. Perhaps they'll take care of removing "distasteful and dishonest" feedback left for this guy by bamming him. >>
Good idea, I'll forward his email to them.
bob
<< <i>Yours was not the first negative . 2 negatives out of 71 transactions sounds like he may be a problem seller. >>
If you read some of the positives/neutrals they aren't too great either!
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If this eBay store is his livelihood, he must be starving.
What a pile of garbage - mis truths - counterfeit coins-
poor communication skills - and dishonest based on what
I have read.
I hope eBay boots him. He gives our hobby a bad name.
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<< <i>Keep eBay in the loop regarding his behavior and threats. Perhaps they'll take care of removing "distasteful and dishonest" feedback left for this guy by bamming him. >>
Good idea, I'll forward his email to them.
bob
I was going to say, you mentioned in the OP that you were curious why that email was sent directly to you and not through eBay's system, it is exactly because this sort of threat violates eBay rules. I would absolutely send it to Safe Harbor and let them deal with it.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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ebay feedback removal court case article thingymabob
Whether he worded it correctly or not.
But, he did not offer to send the proper coin won in the auction.
He did not respond to my message asking to be made whole (he offered LESS shipping)
He did not respond to Ebay's open case other than to refund me and make me whole.
Communication was lacking on his part to both me and Ebay
I felt he did deserve the negative on several fronts.
His prior feedback was not a factor (I never looked at it until today)
I might have been quick to judge him on the mistake or mixup or whatever, my bad.
Thanks Mark!
But, the neg stands!
bob
<< <i>I received his message in my email account and not through Ebay which is weird, to me at least. >>
PayPal does not mask your email address and as such, when paying with PayPal, email communications without going through eBay is possible without breaking any rules.
Sorry you had to encounter a real loser but I guess if you buy and sell enough on the bay, it's bound to happen.
Let us know the results of the suit!
Did you ding him for outrageous shipping? I mean, $5.35 for a $6.00 dime seems a little steep. Or am I out of line here given the costs associated with shipping and all?
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>I received his message in my email account and not through Ebay which is weird, to me at least. >>
PayPal does not mask your email address and as such, when paying with PayPal, email communications without going through eBay is possible without breaking any rules.
Sorry you had to encounter a real loser but I guess if you buy and sell enough on the bay, it's bound to happen.
Let us know the results of the suit!
Did you ding him for outrageous shipping? I mean, $5.35 for a $6.00 dime seems a little steep. Or am I out of line here given the costs associated with shipping and all? >>
The shipping was a known from the get go, no neg on that matter.
bob
I wish there were a Blocked Sellers list on eBay, just as there is a Blocked Bidders list.
<< <i>His threat/email is clearly "feedback extortion" and should be reported to Ebay. >>
Although this is technically true I cannot report this "extortion" as it is outside of Ebay's
message system. This seller is smart enough to know that a message sent to my email
address and not through the ebay message system will not be considered. Ebay says
that it would be too easy to fake such an email. hmmmmmm, clever! Maybe I will be
sued as he might know the ropes!
bob
<< <i>I wonder why he can't get that 1816 half dollar certified!
Oh, he sent me a 1942 dime with a staple scratch across the face and about 4 grades less.
bob
it makes me wonder if the seller isint suing over the 1816 half at this time and we dont about it
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<< <i>His threat/email is clearly "feedback extortion" and should be reported to Ebay. >>
Although this is technically true I cannot report this "extortion" as it is outside of Ebay's
message system. This seller is smart enough to know that a message sent to my email
address and not through the ebay message system will not be considered. Ebay says
that it would be too easy to fake such an email. hmmmmmm, clever! Maybe I will be
sued as he might know the ropes!
bob
Whether its within the eBay system or outside the eBay system, it should still be reported. Let eBay make the call on whether or not its legitimate as the email address he sent it from could very well be tied into his eBay account.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>I wish there were a Blocked Sellers list on eBay, just as there is a Blocked Bidders list. >>
Would you want this guy as a buyer? I put him on the blocked buyers list.
<< <i>I ranted that way with a girlfriend. She won't talk to me again unless I get meds. It's been really quiet, lately. >>
LOL, life is good again, 'eh?
And, yes, I've reported to Ebay and the safe harbor group is supposed to email me so that I can forward
his email.
All is well,
bob
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>His threat/email is clearly "feedback extortion" and should be reported to Ebay. >>
Absolutely. Just follow the rules and get this guy bammed.
mbogoman
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<< <i>Something's up, no items for sale any longer. >>
Maybe he was shut down by eBay.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Do you mean the counterfeit 1816 Silver Eagle??????
<< <i>Why are you bidding 3X what a silver dime is worth? Or were you hoping for an overdate? >>
Yes, hoping (really far out but hoping) for the overdate. Probably just a hit but the 2
had something going on with it.....
bob
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<< <i>Why are you bidding 3X what a silver dime is worth? Or were you hoping for an overdate? >>
Yes, hoping (really far out but hoping) for the overdate. Probably just a hit but the 2
had something going on with it.....
bob
The 4 is clearly doubled as well.
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<< <i>Why are you bidding 3X what a silver dime is worth? Or were you hoping for an overdate? >>
Yes, hoping (really far out but hoping) for the overdate. Probably just a hit but the 2
had something going on with it.....
bob
The 4 is clearly doubled as well. >>
Mark Feld said it's not the overdate but maybe it is and maybe it's not. We'll never know
as he never sent it. I thought it had a good shot even though he said it's a Philly coin.
I thought he was wrong and there was no reverse so, just take a $6 chance.
bob
http://mercurydime.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/1942-1-mercury-dime.jpg
Too bad the seller's incompetent.
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Dave
After you are satisfied, the seller can click on the link below:
http://pages.ebay.com/sitemap.html
Have him click "Request Feedback Revision" under FEEDBACK. He can pick the item he wants feedback removed and it sends an email to you. It's a little known option that sellers have to permanently REMOVE negative feedback. However, sellers get like 1 per 1000 transactions per year (it might be 5 i'd have to look into it more). It's also a one shot thing. Once the seller requests feedback to be changed, the seller loses that 1 per 1000 request if the buyer agrees or not so the seller better darn well know the buyer will remove feedback first.
This happened to me recently when I got my first negative from what I thought was the worst eBay buyer ever (and he was) and decided that it would be much better for me to put my tail between my legs and pucker up and that's what I did. I sent all kinds of apologetic emails (even though I KNEW i was right all along) and ended up selling the guy a 500 coin for 300 to make up for all his hardhip. After I got the feedback changed, I blocked the heck out of him.
In talking with eBay about it, the rep stated that feedback is an opinion and that's why he could say how he felt, which appeared as fact when he wrote it and eBay could/would not do anything about it. Even when messages sent in their message system proved his feedback was malicious and false.
chooses to only use my email address. He has not requested, through ebay, that I change
my feedback.
He now tells me (and I can't post it here because of the swear words he's using now) that
he's an attorney. Yep, still shaking in my boots (if I had any I'd post the pic).
Doing a search on California attorneys I do not find his name listed. He has used two names,
Walter and Todd Phillips, and a search for either shows a dead Walter and a live Todd but
that Todd is 125 miles south of Rancho Cucamonga in San Diego. Probably not the same fella
as the commute would be horrendous. Might be working out of his home?
I have asked him for his license number just so I make sure I have the right fella when I decide
to talk to the California Bar....hmmmmmm
Oh well,
bob
<< <i>Sounds like alcoholic type behavior on the type of the seller, he needs a program to deal with his anger and inefficient business practice because of unmanageability..... >>
This.
Anger Management must not have been on his schedule.