2010, 2011, 2012 Lincoln Cent Doubled dies

Onedollarnohollar · December 27, 2012 5:00AM

I haven't been collecting these 2010, 2011, 2012 Lincoln cent doubled dies but there are several listed by Wexler on his website. I'm just curious to see who has been collecting them and what they would like

to share in regards to where they found them, any box dates that are predominantly producing them, any "discovery" pieces they may have had attributed, etc. Also, if you collect the 2009 Lp1 series cents

(log cabin, early childhood) that have produced over 100 known errors please share with us your experiences with them and why we should all start looking for them.

GrumpyEd · December 27, 2012 6:25AM

What I don't understand is why people that got excited over those years didn't get as excited over all of the 2006 DDOs. There was a bunch of them that were bigger and even showed clearly on the dates. There was a nice doubled earlobe with a huge spread, one very nice DDO that showed on most of the obverse. A herd of smaller ones.

A lot that show up on the date like this one, it can be picked with a naked eye.
It has a really chunky date.

Die-5 / 1DO-010:

I'm guessing that people care more for the DDOs with a big spread than they do about most of the single squeezed ones with wide distortion without a spread but still they're fun to find.

Onedollarnohollar · December 27, 2012 8:10AM

Cont'd for the afternoon/evening error collecting crowd

Onedollarnohollar · December 27, 2012 10:35AM

I'll give it one more try for the Gipper.

Interesting that nobody has responded or has interest in these hundreds of different varieties that reside within the different series/dates I mentioned in this post. A definite point is being made, perhaps

because the errors are very subtle and almost impossible to decipher, that there is no demand for them. If you peruse the Wexler site and look at all of these dates that I've mentioned you will see a multitude

of identified "errors" in each date and series that have such similarity to each other you'll just keep scratching your head and mutter something under your breath like "really??" Which brings us back to how

excitingly different each error is in the "formative" series in 2009. You don't have to look at die scratches, chips, bumps, or a little extra thick date as an identifier. Some errors don't even require a loupe to see

the errors (although looking through a loupe is good for tired eyes) . You'll see dramatic die cracks, doubled thumbs, skeleton fingers, etc. Not one of the identified errors in this series is that similar to the next

as to be confusing.

Again, I challenge you to look on Wexler's site and go through the 100 plus errors listed in the Early Years / Log Cabin cents and not go cross eyed in trying to remember the difference from one to

another. But I am curious to know still if anyone does collect any of the errors found in the 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 outside of the "formative series and what their experiences have been.

Onedollarnohollar · December 28, 2012 2:32AM

ttt...persistent, ain't I

MICHAELDIXON · December 28, 2012 2:52AM

To me, they are too minor to bother with. I think of a Doubled Die Lincoln cent as the 1955, 1972 or the 1995 which can be seen with the unaided eye. If I have to have a microscope in order to see the DDO, I do not want to bother with it.

joeykoins · December 28, 2012 5:27AM

<< I'll give it one more try for the Gipper.

Interesting that nobody has responded or has interest in these hundreds of different varieties that reside within the different series/dates I mentioned in this post. An definite point is being made, perhaps

because the errors are very subtle and almost impossible to decipher, that there is no demand for them. If you peruse the Wexler site and look at all of these dates that I've mentioned you will see a multitude

of identified "errors" in each date and series that have such similarity to each other you'll just keep scratching your head and mutter something under your breath like "really??" Which brings us back to how

excitingly different each error is in the "formative" series in 2009. You don't have to look at die scratches, chips, bumps, or a little extra thick date as an identifier. Some errors don't even require a loupe to see

the errors (although looking through a loupe is good for tired eyes) . You'll see dramatic die cracks, doubled thumbs, skeleton fingers, etc. Not one of the identified errors in this series is that similar to the next

as to be confusing.

Again, I challenge you to look on Wexler's site and go through the 100 plus errors listed in the Early Years / Log Cabin cents and not go cross eyed in trying to remember the difference from one to

another. But I am curious to know still if anyone does collect any of the errors found in the 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 outside of the "formative series and what their experiences have been. >>

Onedollarnohollar · December 28, 2012 5:34AM

I agree with you Professor. My point exactly. All of these dates and series that I mentioned are extremely minor, very similar from one to another, and not interesting enough to chase after. The fact that all of

the other 2009 cents produced (besides the formative errors), 2010, 2011, 2012 have been scrutinized by Wexler for errors (100+) , none have excited the collecting world.

I agree that the '55, '72, '95's are the primary, best known, and sought after doubled dies in the Lincoln cent series.

If you haven't really looked seriously at the 2009p formative cent errors, though, you may want to. They are very distinctive from one to another, easy to see (major varieties and large die cracks) without

microscopes, and will be hot one day from a collecting point of view. The new CPG will confirm the importance and values of the varieties when it comes out in the new year. Now is the time to start collecting

these before they take on the mantle of great doubled dies of the Lincoln cent era....

DCW · December 28, 2012 12:58PM

There are many great doubled dies in the Lincoln cent series. In fact almost every single year has a significant variety to look for. The 2009's haven't really caught on, and I'm not sure if they ever will. Perhaps it is because the doubling (very "blob-like") is not as distinctive as the typical doubled die. Perhaps it is because there are hundreds of variations.
2010-2012 are minor years for doubled dies, though there is a pretty significant ddo for 2011. It is very apparent on the date and motto with a distortion and thick letters/numbers.
It will be interesting to see what the be CPG brings for Lincoln cents. There could be many new additions. For instance, how many of you have seen ddo#2 for 1995? It's almost as strong as #1, but in reverse direction. Anybody ever seen the strong ddo for 1996? The doubled ear for '88 that rivals the one from 1984? How about the class I doubled dies from 1973, 1971-d, 1970-d, etc?
My point is, like I stated in the beginning: there are many great doubled dies in the Lincoln cent series.
It's difficult at times deciding which ones are worthy enough for publication.

LanceNewmanOCC · December 28, 2012 1:08PM

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hate to state the obvious but it is a supply vs demand with a back-end twist of education/awareness. there are people collecting them but the collectors have plenty to choose from

there are many ddos/ddr/ etc and rpm/omm from the early lincoln, roosevelt, washington etc series that don't bring a nice premium.

it would help if pcgs,ngc would attribute more but i think it is left to anacs, segs and icg but then after the cost it isn't worth submitting them.

the fact there are so many doesn't really help the cause imo.

i think the biggest barrier is the potential that tens of thousands or more could be found, so some serious time will probably need to pass before the majority of them are sought after.

just my 2c.
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FullStrike · December 28, 2012 5:20PM

FullStrike · December 28, 2012 5:26PM

If you look carefully enough with a very powerful glass, you will see that each Sleepy is actually very different in a startling way.

Studying these differences can have a very soothing effect. Soon enough you will begin

to

you will

begin to ..........................

19Lyds · December 28, 2012 5:32PM

Personally, I think the issue with these varieties lies in the fact that in order to "see" them, one must have significant knowledge in the identification of what constititutes a doubled die. Kinda like that joke you tell at a dinner party and then have to explain why it "should" be funny?

No doubt, the die hard variety specialists are enthusiastically looking for these as they should BUT the general population wants something that doesn't require such a deep imagination in order to appreciate them. Instead, the general population wants the "obvious" coupled with a nice resale price.

Of course I'm certainly not dissing the coins but I simply have no interest in seeking them out regardless of how many there might be. As it is, I have too many rolls of Minnesota Extra Tree quarters to contend with in addition to a roll or two of some obscure 2009 Formative Years coins.

joeykoins · December 28, 2012 11:05PM

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Look! 18 sleepers. All 18 are the famous" Skeleton Finger " variety.$$$$$$

pitboss · December 28, 2012 11:14PM

I still feel that the 2009 P varieties that already have CPG numbers will be major hits in the near future.

pf70collector · December 28, 2012 11:14PM

I still have a box of the 2006 Pennies. Just haven't had the time to look through them.

pitboss · December 29, 2012 12:38AM

I have a new box of 2009 P's coming in today from a different seller. I can hardly wait to get it!

Onedollarnohollar · December 29, 2012 1:04AM

Remember, "he who laughs last laughs best". ...and as momma always said when I said I didn't want to eat something she put out on the dinner table..."Ok, that leaves more for the rest of us.."

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink" is also an appropriate line for those who don't appreciate that those who do collect these formative errors would take the time to share

our findings with forum members who may not have taken the time to look closely at these and by looking at them get some in their collections before the prices climb.

Pitboss....looking forward to hearing what you find in your new box that's being delivered today. Just pm me or put the results on the 2009 formative thread for us to see pics.

Good day all and a doubled thumbs up to the believers

crypto79 · December 29, 2012 1:18AM

<< Remember, "he who laughs last laughs best". ...and as momma always said when I said I didn't want to eat something she put out on the dinner table..."Ok, that leaves more for the rest of us.."

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink" is also an appropriate line for those who don't appreciate that those who do collect these formative errors would take the time to share

our findings with forum members who may not have taken the time to look closely at these and by looking at them get some in their collections before the prices climb.

Pitboss....looking forward to hearing what you find in your new box that's being delivered today. Just pm me or put the results on the 2009 formative thread for us to see pics.

Good day all and a doubled thumbs up to the believers

>>

You guys are missing the point on collecting all the while doing it the right way but from a twisted perspective. You seem to have found a niche that is shared by a couple of like minded collectors that you are able to talk and share your interest with all the while collecting on the cheap. That is the best part of the hobby but it seems that you all insist on mainstream recognition of your niche and a rapid price escalation of the pieces to justify your involvement which may or may not come.

Collect what you like and work with who you like and forget what others care about, if the hobby catches up to your point of view great, but it is your coins and friends that should be providing you satisfaction and enjoyment.

hammer1 · December 29, 2012 1:27AM

<< Good day all and a doubled thumbs up to the believers

>>

All the "believer's" talk has been about price appreciation on these. It's been 4 years. At what point will you believers say maybe these won't appreciate in value?

Onedollarnohollar · December 29, 2012 1:46AM

The believers will either be "right" or "wrong" about these within about two years. Once the new CPG and Redbook are published with these varieties included we will know where we stand. Those publications

will be issued in the coming new year. I suspect it will take approximately two years for the collecting world and the general public to actually know these exist and, by effect, establish their place in doubled die

history. The past four years in essence has just been a slow drum beat by some of us in conversations/forums (aided by Anacs grading and attributing the varieties on their slabs) in getting these out there plus

now seeing the major publications like the CPG get up to date on these varieties because they have heard the slow rhythmic drumbeat off in a distance. Perhaps that drumbeat will build into a crescendo, perhaps

not. We will see. I will remain optimistic however for another two years where either I'm jumping for joy or jumping off the bandwagon. Good luck ya'll !

pitboss · December 29, 2012 1:55AM

<< 

<< Good day all and a doubled thumbs up to the believers

>>

All the "believer's" talk has been about price appreciation on these. It's been 4 years. At what point will you believers say maybe these won't appreciate in value? >>

I will believe it when they come out in the CPG and red book come out and there is no interest in them after a year.

At that point I will stop buying boxes of them to go through.

If I am wrong it will not be the first mistake I have made in my life!

smokincoin · December 29, 2012 2:06AM

<< You guys are missing the point on collecting all the while doing it the right way but from a twisted perspective. You seem to have found a niche that is shared by a couple of like minded collectors that you are able to talk and share your interest with all the while collecting on the cheap. That is the best part of the hobby but it seems that you all insist on mainstream recognition of your niche and a rapid price escalation of the pieces to justify your involvement which may or may not come.

Collect what you like and work with who you like and forget what others care about, if the hobby catches up to your point of view great, but it is your coins and friends that should be providing you satisfaction and enjoyment. >>

Well said!

Onedollarnohollar · December 30, 2012 12:06AM

Crypto79....you make valid points regarding collecting in general and enjoying the niche that we have found (formative cent errors) among like minded individuals. It is nice to collect what we like for relatively

little money and be able to discuss the varieties within the series. It's also not a bad thing to hope that these will gain traction and value one day, everyone who collects hopes their collections will be worth

more than what they paid while enjoying that "rainbow toned" or "rarity" or whatever special attributes their niche offers to them and their like-minded friends. The fact that we share our excitement with

non-believers is not, in my opinion, "twisted" at all. A forum is designed for such sharing and excitement. What if we hadn't heard on this forum about the 2008/2007 reverse silver eagles or the 5 coin special

silver eagle set or the multitude of errors, vams, overdates, die marriages, etc. that were so profitable that only those in the know shared with us? Now, are these formative cent errors going to climb into

the stratosphere in value? Time will tell. Honestly, that's not the main motivation for me. I like finding the different errors in my searches and I don't expect to get rich doing it. If you've never seen these

through a loupe (some by the naked eye) then you're missing something kind of fun. Anyway, my point is to, yes of course collect what you like and have like-minded people around you , as you say, to enjoy

those niches together. But why not try to expand the hobby, invite others perhaps toward a new world of discovery and exploration in collecting, share the excitement of your individual finds, and campaign for

others to join the parade (and get in on the ground floor)? I know there's no sense in beating a dead horse. Some on this forum are just not going to get it (too modern, too hard to see, the boys and girls

they hang out with poo poo them so they too will) but there may be a few that take the time to read about these errors and get curious as to what the fuss is all about and decide to go rogue and actually buy

rolls to look for themselves. They're still relatively unknown to the general collecting public but once the new CPG and Redbook are published they won't be. Join us if you want Crypto79. As I said, "sharing"

is what this forum is all about. Now, I actually have no more to say

a doubled thumbs up to the believers

ambro51 · December 30, 2012 12:19AM

I read all this. My head hurts

Onedollarnohollar · December 30, 2012 12:31AM

Haha Ambro51...take two doubled thumbs and call me in the morning

joeykoins · December 30, 2012 11:04PM

We believers,should join our own little club.We'll call it," The Formative year Club". Consisting of only members that are fired up for the 2009 Formative years errors/varieties.

nwcoast · December 31, 2012 1:49AM

I like to look through bank cent rolls sometimes. I find it relaxing and for the most part I'm separting and saving the occasional wheat cents and the pre 82 copper, the 82 coins go into another bag for later separation, the foreign stuff goes into one bag.. I scan for the major errors mentioned much earlier in this thread.. I too want something that I can recognize with very minor magnification (since my naked eye no longer does the trick).

When I stumble on the Lincoln Log cents- I glance for the extra thumb and that's it. My thinking is that the only stuff in circulation are the ones you guys have already searched and dumped in this series . I have a few mint rolls that I'll eventually crack and search if these amount to anything or I develop a more keen interest in these errors. At this point though, these reqire a level of attention to detail that I'm just not willing to engage in.

I'd like to think that eventually these will be recognized and valued for rarity and interest. At this point in time, my feeling is that there are jut too many of these, they are too minor and complicated and that there might never be a collector base large enough to push prices much higher.

I'd like to be wrong on this, I really would.....

A personal note here in that some members of my family already think I'm NUTS for doing what I already do with the cents.... I'm the source of considerable amusement and leave them them bewildered and shaking their heads in dismay if not outright concern and despair! I'm not going to rationalize my roll searching here, as I've attempted to do with them as I think most of you are more sympathetic to what I'm into...

If I were to take it up a notch though and start looking for hundreds of tiny varieties that require microscopic inspection.......
Even LESS house work would get done, my wife would either divorce me or attempt to have me committed, and my kids would even have more fodder for their opinions that their dad has finally gone off the deep end....

If I'm any indication as to whether interest in these subtle varieties are going to gain interest, then you folks might have a long wait...

pitboss · December 31, 2012 1:50AM

You have a good idea.

Seeing as you thought of it, start a new thread.

DCW · December 31, 2012 3:01AM

Are these 2009's even slated for inclusion in the red book?
Last i heard, they MIGHT be in the CPG.
And just why would the many extra fingers "catch on" before the many significant ddos and ddrs that are already missing from the guides?
I am a variety guy primarily interested in lincoln cents, and my interest in these is very minimal.

Onedollarnohollar · December 31, 2012 3:49AM

Joeycoins....I think our main thread "2009 formative cents" is basically the "club" you're talking about. At least most of the thread is and has been attended only by "believers" . I only started this thread to invite

others to see the difference between all of the other "errors" that have been listed by Wexler since 2009 and the formative errors (a dramatic difference in my opinion) However, if you want to start a new thread

that only the "believers" are invited, that's great. It will be interesting to see if our old friend (and pioneer in the series) Papi will join the discussion. He's dropped out of sight for awhile...but I'd love to see him

contribute to the conversation again.

As to whether the Redbook will have the errors listed, they already are albeit just in a notation with a small premium mentioned currently. I believe that the Redbook will begin to list certain error #'s individually.

The CPG will certainly have them listed. That's already determined by issuance of cataloged numbers identifying the "key" errors. That publication is due out soon, which is of course what we're anxiously

awaiting. Good luck in your searches and don't worry about what family might say or think. Show them what these "pennies" are selling for on Ebay right now and explain where those values may go this year

or next...that might change their tunes.

Once again, to the "believers" a doubled thumbs up to you all and a very Happy New Year to everyone (even the non-believers..lol)

pitboss · December 31, 2012 4:41AM

From one formative believer to all the rest of you:

HAVE A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR

gonzer · December 31, 2012 5:10AM

Crypto summed it up most eloquently. I would not collect them just to preserve what crappy little eyesight I have left. Don't know why but the subject reminds me of what Richie Allen said ages ago about the newest invention 'Astroturf'..." If a horse can't eat it I ain't playin' on it." Gotta be tangible.

Onedollarnohollar · December 31, 2012 8:03AM

Crypto did make valid points as I said in my response (probably unread by you) . He just wasn't correct about collectors of these having a "twisted" way of foisting these on non-believers. Sharing info with the

uninformed or disinterested is never twisted...it's generous. I just couldn't let you slide ....Anyone who compares these to Astroturf .... really?

joeykoins · December 31, 2012 8:08AM

To my understanding,true believers,only consist of 3,maybe 4.We have to add to that figure.What can we do to ignite this " Formative year Club"?We need to make more believers out of this new variety,that will in return peak the price.Popular in demand, is what makes coin prices rise,right? So let's push these little gems to popularity!

The "Formative Year Club" logo,

( double-thumbs )

2010, 2011, 2012 Lincoln Cent Doubled dies

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