Is this coin eligible for the PCGS Restration Service?

candy2012mustang · December 23, 2012 3:51AM

Hi Guys,

I just bought this - a very rare variety of a very common coin. It is called the "6 lines" or "6 ropes" - that are between the sails of the Junk on the reverse.

It is a higher grade for the type, but I am not sure If I like the very dark reverse toning. It is going back to PCGS anyway for a reholder in Secure Plus (the coin is sideways in the blue holder).

Is it eligible for the restoration service?

PCGS Picture:

Sellers Pictures:

crypto79 · December 23, 2012 3:57AM

No I wouldn't think so. That might be to dark for some but is ok to others. My understanding of the service is not to treat a coin to tastes but to preserve a coin in trouble. If that isn't to your tastes you should have waited for the next one.

DeliaBug · December 23, 2012 4:01AM

What crypto said. They will not dip an attractive coin. And you can straighten the coin in the holder, you have to tap the holder on the edge. Search here for the thread on that. It's easy to fix.

candy2012mustang · December 23, 2012 4:02AM

With only 48 certified out of the over 20,000 common variety coins - I had to jump on it regardless of the look. I was offered a uglier coin in lower grade for 50% more a month ago.

candy2012mustang · December 31, 2012 2:56PM

Does anyone know for sure??

Type2 · December 31, 2012 3:13PM

You may want to try to post this on the World Forum.

and you can tap one corner of the holder and it will fix the coin.

TwoSides2aCoin · December 31, 2012 3:15PM

I think the coin is beautiful "as is".

Wolf359 · December 31, 2012 3:20PM

No. Besides if you ask I think PCGS would pass as well.

stealer · December 31, 2012 3:37PM

I think the PCGS image is just washed out, giving it a lighter look.

magikbilly · December 31, 2012 4:01PM

I would hope that under no circumstances would such a coin be considered for treatment by our hosts. It has nice rim tone on the Obv. for starters. That Rev is very rich. I had a Pr Walker and some Mercs with similar flaky dry looking colors.
This is basically the "don't buy what you don't like or has a problem, it will only get worse" advice.

"...I had to jump on it regardless of the look..."
And here you are. I see a really nice coin!

Eric

19Lyds · December 31, 2012 4:09PM

<< Does anyone know for sure?? >>

As an AU53, it would be rather irresponsible to do anything to that coin as the results would be s dull, lifeless coin regardless of it variety value.

IMO, it would move immediately to the bottom of that "want" list.

However, if YOU think you want someone messing with it, send it in and let them tell you no.

lava · December 31, 2012 4:42PM

I'd be shocked if PCGS touched that coin. Leave the coin. If it doesn't grow on you, there is a market for it as is, and you can buy the one you want. I like the look of it.

Cameonut · December 31, 2012 10:35PM

I really like it "as is".

PerryHall · December 31, 2012 10:58PM

I don't care for the dark toning on that coin but I agree with those that say that it shouldn't be dipped. Don't mess with it. Sell it if you don't like it.

Broadstruck · December 31, 2012 11:14PM

<< Leave the coin. If it doesn't grow on you, there is a market for it as is, and you can buy the one you want. >>

Senex · December 31, 2012 11:26PM

<< I don't care for the dark toning on that coin but I agree with those that say that it shouldn't be dipped. Don't mess with it. Sell it if you don't like it. >>

1Mike1 · December 31, 2012 11:40PM

<< With only 48 certified out of the over 20,000 common variety coins - I had to jump on it regardless of the look. I was offered a uglier coin in lower grade for 50% more a month ago. >>

Wait a while and they will have a whole bunch counterfeited like they do the morgans.

PerryHall · January 1, 2013 12:08AM

The problem with dipping darkly toned silver coins is that you sometimes get dull washed out surfaces that are unattractive and undesireable. Dipping a coin like this is always a riskly proposition.

lkeigwin · January 1, 2013 12:20AM

Rather overwhelming sentiment here.

- PCGS won't treat coins to suit collectors' tastes. The new restoration service is about conserving.
- It'd be a shame to dip that. It's your coin to decide. But you asked us and many of us like the look.
- The coin can easily be straightened. It's silly to reholder for that reason.
Lance.

coinkat · January 1, 2013 1:15AM

If any effort is undertaken to "restore" this coin, I suspect the results will disappoint. Sell it as is if you do not like it. It is an AU coin and restoration will detract and hightlight honest wear, circulation and any imperfection that can only detract from the coin. The coin looks natural as it is and it will become an unnatural eyesore.

The coin looks fine as it currently stands. The restoration for this specific coin is a slippery slope and the percentages are that what is currently an acceptable coin to most collectores will turn into a train wreck- try to explain that once it is done.

Zrider · January 1, 2013 1:36AM

If you dip that coin you will end up with a purple hazed coin that would be concidered Altered surfaces. I dont think they will.

DonWillis · January 1, 2013 4:29AM

This is a great example of what we will not do under PCGS Restoration.

DennisH · January 1, 2013 5:07AM

<< This is a great example of what we will not do under PCGS Restoration. >>

End of discussion. Thanks Don.

candy2012mustang · January 1, 2013 5:18AM

Don,

Thanks for your imput. However, doesnt it become a little bit of a "gray area" of what qualifies for restoration?

1. Is it only foreign substances on the surface?

2. Spotting?

3. WHO determines what's eligible? How does a collector know when the decision is subjective?

Very little info on the PCGS website regarding this....it gets a little dicey.

deltadimeman · January 1, 2013 9:04AM

that is a great looking original coin ! leave it alone !

magikbilly · January 1, 2013 1:23PM

<< Don,

Thanks for your imput. However, doesnt it become a little bit of a "gray area" of what qualifies for restoration?

1. Is it only foreign substances on the surface?

2. Spotting?

3. WHO determines what's eligible? How does a collector know when the decision is subjective?

Very little info on the PCGS website regarding this....it gets a little dicey. >>

Hi,

I think the decision in this case would still be an opinion, so it is always subjective - like grading. Some cases, like this Chinese Republic coin, are clear judging from the responses. I think it would be good if anything that doesn't pass the sniffer is barred from this service. That's my 2 cents. I don't like seeing once problem coins wind up in problem free plastic. I also think rendering opinions for a coin to be restored or not will take a bit longer than deciding if a coin should get a "+" etc. But then I also think I'd not want anything done to my coin without knowing the substances/processes used, but I doubt you will see that.

Best wishes,
Eric

lkeigwin · January 1, 2013 2:30PM

Huh?
Lance.

Shamika · January 1, 2013 9:09PM

I think the coin looks great as is.

TwoSides2aCoin · January 1, 2013 10:57PM

This is a good thread and would hate to see it die over "ONE" coin. It could be a catalyst for those with "questions".
In my opinion, this new service would be more for issues like spots, grease, dirt, grime, verdigris, lacquers, coatings, and overall "screwed up coins" that might may be "restorable". It's outside of my expertise.

Cameonut · January 1, 2013 11:10PM

<< This is a good thread and would hate to see it die over "ONE" coin. It could be a catalyst for those with "questions".
In my opinion, this new service would be more for issues like spots, grease, dirt, grime, verdigris, lacquers, coatings, and overall "screwed up coins" that might may be "restorable". It's outside of my expertise. >>

Good thought. It would sure be nice if we could somehow share "before" and "after" photos of coins that were conserved. What better way to showcase the service and to communicate what types of issues could be remedied.

Quite a number of years ago, I submitted several coins to NCS to see if they could handle removing milk spots from early 60's Franklin proofs. Bottom line was that they could always make an improvement, and sometimes even remove all the spots. I wish I had taken photos prior to submission and, alas, I no longer own the conserved coins (which ended up in NGC holders). I educated myself on their service, but didn't keep photos to help teach others.

Is this coin eligible for the PCGS Restration Service?

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