<< <i>sorry I agree with the grades assessed. both of the coins show evidence of cleaning, and graffiti on the other coin. >>
Kind of makes you wonder how the OP and 8-10 knowledgeable collectors [all of whom saw the coin in hand] could miss what seems to be obvious to a lot of others based solely on pics.
Kind of makes you wonder how the OP and 8-10 knowledgeable collectors [all of whom saw the coin in hand] could miss what seems to be obvious to a lot of others based solely on pics.
Most people do not have the skills to grade a coin. That's why they depend on PCGS. Instead of shooting the messenger I suggest trying to learn from the results.
It really isn't worthy a response, but - it's absurd to suggest that PCGS changes the color and texture of coins sent in for grading.
Your recourse is to use this experience as a learning tool for future submissions and coin buying. There is no use to rant about grading results you disagree with, especially not on the PCGS forum.
Grading is subjective and performed by people so results will always vary. Don't like the grades this time? Hold on to your coins and resubmit them again in the future or try another comparable grading company. Use the results from this submission as a foundation for making more informed buying decisions in the future.
Anybody who wants to play the grading game should be ready for all scenarios whatever they may be.
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Totally irrevelant now but looking at the pictures it looks like PCGS got everything correct. The submitter should turn lemons into lemonade and use these results as a learning tool.
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I agree overall with the comments made by various posters and Don. Only the 1837 looks like it had a shot at grading problem-free. No need to blast PCGS for finding grafitti that you and 8 buddies didn't notice. I have an 1866 Seated dollar that I have owned for 15 years that PCGS bagged for the same reason, and it took me 10 minutes to even find the grafitti with a loupe- but PCGS was right.
Edited to add: slip the 1837 into your next submission.
<< <i>"Instead of shooting the messenger I suggest trying to learn from the results."
Bingo!
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+1
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<< <i>Your recourse is to use this experience as a learning tool for future submissions and coin buying. There is no use to rant about grading results you disagree with, especially not on the PCGS forum.
Grading is subjective and performed by people so results will always vary. Don't like the grades this time? Hold on to your coins and resubmit them again in the future or try another comparable grading company. Use the results from this submission as a foundation for making more informed buying decisions in the future.
Anybody who wants to play the grading game should be ready for all scenarios whatever they may be. >>
These statments contradict each other, on one hand you say use these as a learning tool in in the next you say results vary because of the human element. Its hard to use something as a learning tool when its quite possible that on a subsiquent submission some of these could grade problem free, the only lesson I could draw from that is that you have to hope for the right grader the first time around.
<< <i>Your recourse is to use this experience as a learning tool for future submissions and coin buying. There is no use to rant about grading results you disagree with, especially not on the PCGS forum.
Grading is subjective and performed by people so results will always vary. Don't like the grades this time? Hold on to your coins and resubmit them again in the future or try another comparable grading company. Use the results from this submission as a foundation for making more informed buying decisions in the future.
Anybody who wants to play the grading game should be ready for all scenarios whatever they may be. >>
These statments contradict each other, on one hand you say use these as a learning tool in in the next you say results vary because of the human element. Its hard to use something as a learning tool when its quite possible that on a subsiquent submission some of these could grade problem free, the only lesson I could draw from that is that you have to hope for the right grader the first time around. >>
You use this grading experience to realize the fact that the results don't always go your way. You take the results and you use the knowledge learned to make adjustments to your methods of grading and buying coins. Better to do that than to throw up a wall of stubbornness and accusations.
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<< <i>FWIW, I agreed with the PCGS results. What Don said someone suggested seems utterly ludicrous. >>
The OP alleged on page 1 [2 posts under your first one] that a coin he submitted to PCGS came back in a condition that was different from the condition he submitted it as.
Ok, so results and Pics --> Please provide your opinions as well
1) 1876 IHC (No Photo) Unc Details (Questionable Color) My opinion: Yes, this is exactly as expected My complaint: This is the second time I submitted this coin. The first time I submitted it the coin came back with significantly different surfaces (both color and texture) from the state and condition I submitted it to PCGS. A subsequent letter to Don Willis was ignored!
I think pcgs got it right, those coins should not be in regular slabs, while it suxs it is better to err on the side of caution. Had they slabbed them in the future we would be reading post on" how come they slabbed these coins, what were the graders drinking?"
Don is a good sport when you say the coin came back with a different look.
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#3 1835 looks cleaned to me. You can see hairlines on the obverse where the color is lighter. Between the dot under the eye and the dot on the jaw line, appears to have had something removed. Most likely a dark spot like the small ones. In addition, the rim is totally clean all the way around. I agree with PCGS.
#4 1836 My eyes went straight to the initials carved beside the date. I agree with PCGS.
#5 1837 The etching around the right hand stars, clean field and then the same tone next to the bust makes me think it has been cleaned. My first thought was it had been dipped years ago and the dip not properly rinsed. I agree with PCGS.
#6 1804 Coins are graded by both obverse and reverse. I disagree with PCGS. I would have graded it VG10 Damaged.
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<< <i>Your recourse is to use this experience as a learning tool for future submissions and coin buying. There is no use to rant about grading results you disagree with, especially not on the PCGS forum.
Grading is subjective and performed by people so results will always vary. Don't like the grades this time? Hold on to your coins and resubmit them again in the future or try another comparable grading company. Use the results from this submission as a foundation for making more informed buying decisions in the future.
Anybody who wants to play the grading game should be ready for all scenarios whatever they may be. >>
These statments contradict each other, on one hand you say use these as a learning tool in in the next you say results vary because of the human element. Its hard to use something as a learning tool when its quite possible that on a subsiquent submission some of these could grade problem free, the only lesson I could draw from that is that you have to hope for the right grader the first time around. >>
You use this grading experience to realize the fact that the results don't always go your way. You take the results and you use the knowledge learned to make adjustments to your methods of grading and buying coins. Better to do that than to throw up a wall of stubbornness and accusations. >>
Hmm what knowledge? That results dont allways go your way? Thats not knowledge, its an excuse for inconsistancy, keep in mind that I'm not saying that PCGS is wrong in its opinion of these but rather that with enough tries I'd bet that one or two could make it into a problem free holder. Its like the officals in the NFL, some yrs thay put emphasis on certain rules that in past yrs have been more lax about, TPG's are the same. Some coins are market acceptable sometimes and other times thay are not; changing your methods of grading is only usefull if you can stay in tune with the swings in grading.
Something I was thginking about last night with the copper that supposedly changed surface and color. It had probabley been treated before you bought it and could of changed because of this. This would not be something to over look before throwing out accusations towards anyone.
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<< <i>sorry I agree with the grades assessed. both of the coins show evidence of cleaning, and graffiti on the other coin. >>
Kind of makes you wonder how the OP and 8-10 knowledgeable collectors [all of whom saw the coin in hand] could miss what seems to be obvious to a lot of others based solely on pics.
Most people do not have the skills to grade a coin. That's why they depend on PCGS. Instead of shooting the messenger I suggest trying to learn from the results.
It really isn't worthy a response, but - it's absurd to suggest that PCGS changes the color and texture of coins sent in for grading.
Grading is subjective and performed by people so results will always vary. Don't like the grades this time? Hold on to your coins and resubmit them again in the future or try another comparable grading company. Use the results from this submission as a foundation for making more informed buying decisions in the future.
Anybody who wants to play the grading game should be ready for all scenarios whatever they may be.
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Edited to add: slip the 1837 into your next submission.
Bingo!
<< <i>Kind of makes you wonder how the OP and 8-10 knowledgeable collectors [all of whom saw the coin in hand]... >>
The OP said he showed the coins to 8-10 collectors, but didn't say they were knowledgeable.
<< <i>...could miss what seems to be obvious to a lot of others based solely on pics. >>
Not to mention PCGS, who actually saw the coins in hand and weren't depending on images when determining the grades.
<< <i>"Instead of shooting the messenger I suggest trying to learn from the results."
Bingo!
+1
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<< <i>Your recourse is to use this experience as a learning tool for future submissions and coin buying. There is no use to rant about grading results you disagree with, especially not on the PCGS forum.
Grading is subjective and performed by people so results will always vary. Don't like the grades this time? Hold on to your coins and resubmit them again in the future or try another comparable grading company. Use the results from this submission as a foundation for making more informed buying decisions in the future.
Anybody who wants to play the grading game should be ready for all scenarios whatever they may be. >>
These statments contradict each other, on one hand you say use these as a learning tool in in the next you say results vary because of the human element. Its hard to use something as a learning tool when its quite possible that on a subsiquent submission some of these could grade problem free, the only lesson I could draw from that is that you have to hope for the right grader the first time around.
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<< <i>Your recourse is to use this experience as a learning tool for future submissions and coin buying. There is no use to rant about grading results you disagree with, especially not on the PCGS forum.
Grading is subjective and performed by people so results will always vary. Don't like the grades this time? Hold on to your coins and resubmit them again in the future or try another comparable grading company. Use the results from this submission as a foundation for making more informed buying decisions in the future.
Anybody who wants to play the grading game should be ready for all scenarios whatever they may be. >>
These statments contradict each other, on one hand you say use these as a learning tool in in the next you say results vary because of the human element. Its hard to use something as a learning tool when its quite possible that on a subsiquent submission some of these could grade problem free, the only lesson I could draw from that is that you have to hope for the right grader the first time around. >>
You use this grading experience to realize the fact that the results don't always go your way. You take the results and you use the knowledge learned to make adjustments to your methods of grading and buying coins. Better to do that than to throw up a wall of stubbornness and accusations.
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<< <i>FWIW, I agreed with the PCGS results. What Don said someone suggested seems utterly ludicrous. >>
The OP alleged on page 1 [2 posts under your first one] that a coin he submitted to PCGS came back in a condition that was different from the condition he submitted it as.
Ok, so results and Pics --> Please provide your opinions as well
1) 1876 IHC (No Photo) Unc Details (Questionable Color)
My opinion: Yes, this is exactly as expected
My complaint: This is the second time I submitted this coin. The first time I submitted it
the coin came back with significantly different surfaces (both color and texture) from the
state and condition I submitted it to PCGS. A subsequent letter to Don Willis was ignored!
I can not know the facts of course.
Eric
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<< <i>sorry I agree with the grades assessed. both of the coins show evidence of cleaning, and graffiti on the other coin. >>
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Don is a good sport when you say the coin came back with a different look.
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#3 1835 looks cleaned to me. You can see hairlines on the obverse where the color is lighter. Between the dot under the eye and the dot on the jaw line, appears to have had something removed. Most likely a dark spot like the small ones. In addition, the rim is totally clean all the way around. I agree with PCGS.
#4 1836 My eyes went straight to the initials carved beside the date. I agree with PCGS.
#5 1837 The etching around the right hand stars, clean field and then the same tone next to the bust makes me think it has been cleaned. My first thought was it had been dipped years ago and the dip not properly rinsed. I agree with PCGS.
#6 1804 Coins are graded by both obverse and reverse. I disagree with PCGS. I would have graded it VG10 Damaged.
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<< <i>Your recourse is to use this experience as a learning tool for future submissions and coin buying. There is no use to rant about grading results you disagree with, especially not on the PCGS forum.
Grading is subjective and performed by people so results will always vary. Don't like the grades this time? Hold on to your coins and resubmit them again in the future or try another comparable grading company. Use the results from this submission as a foundation for making more informed buying decisions in the future.
Anybody who wants to play the grading game should be ready for all scenarios whatever they may be. >>
These statments contradict each other, on one hand you say use these as a learning tool in in the next you say results vary because of the human element. Its hard to use something as a learning tool when its quite possible that on a subsiquent submission some of these could grade problem free, the only lesson I could draw from that is that you have to hope for the right grader the first time around. >>
You use this grading experience to realize the fact that the results don't always go your way. You take the results and you use the knowledge learned to make adjustments to your methods of grading and buying coins. Better to do that than to throw up a wall of stubbornness and accusations. >>
Hmm what knowledge? That results dont allways go your way? Thats not knowledge, its an excuse for inconsistancy, keep in mind that I'm not saying that PCGS is wrong in its opinion of these but rather that with enough tries I'd bet that one or two could make it into a problem free holder. Its like the officals in the NFL, some yrs thay put emphasis on certain rules that in past yrs have been more lax about, TPG's are the same. Some coins are market acceptable sometimes and other times thay are not; changing your methods of grading is only usefull if you can stay in tune with the swings in grading.
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