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  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,910 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Sold for: $32,200.00
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  • Matrix1980Matrix1980 Posts: 553 ✭
    But for that price he or she got a gem of a coin!!!
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm glad it went way over my head would of had to think very hard on the grade given it.
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  • Yukoncornelius1Yukoncornelius1 Posts: 654 ✭


    << <i>I'm glad it went way over my head would of had to think very hard on the grade given it.
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    I agree, there are alot of hits on the obverse for a 65.
  • OverdateOverdate Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can you give us a larger picture? The third molecule from the left looks a little blurry. image

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  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,191 ✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>I'm glad it went way over my head would of had to think very hard on the grade given it.
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    I agree, there are alot of hits on the obverse for a 65. >>



    Not to mention the strike is rather poor.

    Personally, I'm not too fond of this coin... But maybe that's just because I like my Walkers in circ grades. image
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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,682 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have to wonder how many times that coin was submitted before garnering the coveted MS65 grade.
    Frankly I would rather have seen the coin with the original skin and in a 64 holder.
    Meanwhile I'm more than content with this one, at less than a tenth of the cost:

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  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,910 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have to wonder how many times that coin was submitted before garnering the coveted MS65 grade.
    Frankly I would rather have seen the coin with the original skin and in a 64 holder.
    Meanwhile I'm more than content with this one, at less than a tenth of the cost:

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    I agree!
  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,736 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow, that is some price and it somewhat smacks of a less-experienced buyer. I was going to be charitable and GTG at 64/64-, not just on the basis of the mentioned contacts, but a somewhat unappealing strike from an old die. Also, "dip-orrific". Yikes! The more I think and the more I look at it, the less appealing it becomes.

    Oh well, that's IMHO...
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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Wow, that is some price and it somewhat smacks of a less-experienced buyer. I was going to be charitable and GTG at 64/64-, not just on the basis of the mentioned contacts, but a somewhat unappealing strike from an old die. Also, "dip-orrific". Yikes! The more I think and the more I look at it, the less appealing it becomes.

    Oh well, that's IMHO... >>

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,675 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks dipped and weakly struck. Not a 65 in my book.
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  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,736 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OK, corollary question: how much should a coin like this go for? In a well publicized auction (ie Heritage, or...BM or??).
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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,682 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In a well-publicized auction, you will likely continue to draw in 'less experienced buyers', who want/need that date in that holder regardless of eye appeal.

    To me, a better question would be 'what would a coin like that go for between two knowledgeable collectors or dealers?'......I'm guessing far south of the price
    that was realized in this auction - but then again, isn't that sort of the purpose of the big auctions image
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  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow, that is a lovely MS63+, shot 64.

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  • Yukoncornelius1Yukoncornelius1 Posts: 654 ✭


    << <i>I have to wonder how many times that coin was submitted before garnering the coveted MS65 grade.
    Frankly I would rather have seen the coin with the original skin and in a 64 holder.
    Meanwhile I'm more than content with this one, at less than a tenth of the cost:

    image >>



    Now that is a great coin for the grade!image
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Since CAC agrees, the next question is: are 5 expert graders and finalizers all blind and wrong or is there something else amiss? Keep in mind that all of those folks saw the coin in hand and all we have is pics.
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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,723 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I must be HONEST here. That coin is NOT a MS 65. That strike is poor, even for a 21-D. Luster is decent but it likely has a few too many hits but that strike just DOESN'T reflect the MS 65 grade level. IMHO.

    I know of someone, personally, who owns a PCGS MS 63 that would put that one to shame. I don't think that we're 'missing' anything here. I don't like that coin for 12500, as a MS 63, and WOULD NOT purchase it even at that level. At 32K and MS 65----it really kinda disturbs me. image

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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    Sorry but I'm just NOT seeing an MS65 here nor a coin which I'd expend above list value for.

    I guess my WOW would be for how it got an MS65?
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  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
    I don't see it in any way.

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Based on the photo's I like that coin as a 64. However, I have never seen it in hand. Apparently many posting in this thread have based on the commentsimage. How often have pictures been deceiving? I would say many times. The strike appears to be average for a 21-D. There is no way to gauge the lustre from that photo. YOU can see luste on this from the 360 degree Heritage views.

    Large photo's are ALWAYS unflattering as they accentuate any marks. No one would ever buy any coin based on hub cap sized pics. One might consider giving PCGS and CAC the benefit of the doubt considering they HAVE seen it in hand. I would never make a decision solely from an auction photo. Most are poor representations of the coin.

    Did everyone look at the 360 degree views from the auction? The coin looks much different in a positive way from the crappy picture. 32K is about the right price for a very solid PCGS 65.


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  • breakdownbreakdown Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Heritage photos of Walkers are often not very good. I don't love its look based on these images but did anyone here lot view this coin? I didn't so i would not be surprised if this is a mid-grade 65.
    As much as i respect some of the posters above, i agree with MJ and Bajjerfan.

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  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,736 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Always a safe caveat: "must be seen in hand".

    On the other hand, just because it was beaned and/or pcgs grades it does not mean it is necessarily acceptable to knowing buyers or numismatists at that level. I have some TPG coins that have been treated by the market (ie sales) at levels reflecting appreciation for the coin(s) at levels below or above the cert. grade. I think taking the slabbed grade as gospel is the other end of the spectrum and is quite dangerous as well.

    There are also factors that are not as dependent on photo presentation: for example, would anybody deny this is a late die state coin?
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  • metalmeistermetalmeister Posts: 4,595 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Agree, looks more like 64.
    The AU WLH has a better strike.image
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