What % of the "Blast White" Morgans in TPG slabs do you feel have really never been dipped

LeeBone · October 10, 2012 7:40AM

Let`s hear it...

LanceNewmanOCC · October 10, 2012 8:09AM

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i'm campin' out in my small 4 sided brick barrier waitin' for the bullets to start flying!

I will say, I remember seeing this "1" I thought may be a good candidate.

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TorinoCobra71 · October 10, 2012 8:29AM

35%

coinbuf · October 10, 2012 8:37AM

I'd guess <5%

TONEDDOLLARS · October 10, 2012 8:52AM

Not sure, but all the Morgans in GSA holders have not been messed with.

LindeDad · October 10, 2012 9:03AM

2.38% and maybe half of those where minted in the last five years.

Buzzybest · October 10, 2012 9:50AM

Hopefully none in the SecurePlus holders, where I have most of my blast white Morgans.

coinsarefun · October 10, 2012 10:00AM

<< I'd guess <5% >>

I agree.....the vast majority have been dipped and stripped of it original skin. IMO
Or at least the ones I have seen at most of the West Coast shows.

GrumpyEd · October 10, 2012 10:01AM

<< Hopefully none in the SecurePlus holders >>

I didn't think it matters, did they say it weeds out dipped silver coins?

I'd think the majority of "blast white" silver coins have been dipped.
Probably much less than the majority of plain white silver coins.

roadrunner · October 10, 2012 11:05AM

There were lots of orig bags of 79-s to 82-s Morgans that were blast white and slabbed as such. Probably a pile of 1885, 1886, 1887, 1883-0, 1884-0, 1885-0, 1898-0, 1899-0,
1900-0, 1901-0, 1902-0 as well. Then there's the CC's that are blast white. That's a lot of essentially blast white Morgans. I'd say 20-40% of them haven't been dipped before.

stealer · October 10, 2012 11:09AM

Not going to throw out a number because it's impossible to know but I will say no greater than 8-9%. Heard many times of the biggest Morgan submitter to our host dips every single coin before sending them in because they are easier to sell than slightly toned.

keets · October 10, 2012 11:22AM

Not going to throw out a number because it's impossible to know but I will say no greater than 8-9%.

Great!!

mrpotatoheadd · October 10, 2012 11:42AM

<< Not going to throw out a number because it's impossible to know but I will say no greater than 8-9%.

Great!!

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Hey- for not wanting "to throw out a number because it's impossible to know", narrowing it down to a 1% spread is pretty good, if you ask me.

UtahCoin · October 10, 2012 11:53AM

<10%

stealer · October 10, 2012 12:19PM

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<< Not going to throw out a number because it's impossible to know but I will say no greater than 8-9%.

Great!!

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Hey- for not wanting "to throw out a number because it's impossible to know", narrowing it down to a 1% spread is pretty good, if you ask me.

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Hm, actually I gave a 8-9 number spread.

mrpotatoheadd · October 10, 2012 12:32PM

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<< Not going to throw out a number because it's impossible to know but I will say no greater than 8-9%.

Great!!

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Hey- for not wanting "to throw out a number because it's impossible to know", narrowing it down to a 1% spread is pretty good, if you ask me.

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Hm, actually I gave a 8-9 number spread. >>

8-9% isn't a 1% spread? Ok then- sorry.

stealer · October 10, 2012 12:49PM

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<< Not going to throw out a number because it's impossible to know but I will say no greater than 8-9%.

Great!!

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Hey- for not wanting "to throw out a number because it's impossible to know", narrowing it down to a 1% spread is pretty good, if you ask me.

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Hm, actually I gave a 8-9 number spread. >>

8-9% isn't a 1% spread? Ok then- sorry.

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No greater than. Must I get into semantics?

Buzzybest · October 10, 2012 12:52PM

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<< Hopefully none in the SecurePlus holders >>

I didn't think it matters, did they say it weeds out dipped silver coins?

I'd think the majority of "blast white" silver coins have been dipped.
Probably much less than the majority of plain white silver coins. >>

I disagree! You can read about the SecurePlus process at PCGS.com

mrpotatoheadd · October 10, 2012 12:58PM

<< No greater than. Must I get into semantics? >>

I wasn't talking about the absolute percentage you specified was not exceeded. I was talking about the margin of error in your specification.

Is that semanticy enough?

TwoSides2aCoin · October 10, 2012 12:59PM

I feel every "blast white" coin is dipped, but these are merely feelings. It's better to see one coin in hand than to feel two in the bush.

coinguy1989 · October 10, 2012 1:02PM

Less than 10%.

mrpotatoheadd · October 10, 2012 1:05PM

<< I feel every "blast white" coin is dipped... >>

I have a few rolls of 50+ year old coins that are blast white that I can assure you have never been dipped. That being the case, I have no trouble at all with the idea there are even older coins existing that are A) blast white and

have never been dipped.

MidLifeCrisis · October 10, 2012 1:09PM

A small enough of a percentage to make me not want to buy any.

Besides, blast white coins are boring.

Buzzybest · October 10, 2012 1:10PM

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<< I feel every "blast white" coin is dipped... >>

I have a few rolls of 50+ year old coins that are blast white that I can assure you have never been dipped. That being the case, I have no trouble at all with the idea there are even older coins existing that are A) blast white and

have never been dipped. >>

I totally agree!

magikbilly · October 10, 2012 1:14PM

Maybe a number similar to those that have never been slabbed in the first place.

Eric

machoponcho · October 10, 2012 1:33PM

<< There were lots of orig bags of 79-s to 82-s Morgans that were blast white and slabbed as such. Probably a pile of 1885, 1886, 1887, 1883-0, 1884-0, 1885-0, 1898-0, 1899-0,
1900-0, 1901-0, 1902-0 as well. Then there's the CC's that are blast white. That's a lot of essentially blast white Morgans. I'd say 20-40% of them haven't been dipped before. >>

You make a sound point. However, I feel many of these you have referenced have since been cracked out and dipped in search of an upgrade. So I say the true number is somewhere on the order of 3%-10%.

GrumpyEd · October 10, 2012 2:05PM

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<< Hopefully none in the SecurePlus holders >>

I didn't think it matters, did they say it weeds out dipped silver coins?

I'd think the majority of "blast white" silver coins have been dipped.
Probably much less than the majority of plain white silver coins. >>

I disagree! You can read about the SecurePlus process at PCGS.com
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DW answered that dipping is not a problem for SecurePlus in this thread on page 2:

"we will be able to tell if a coin has been dipped. But dipping is not a reason to no-grade a coin (unless it's overdone). So dipping should not be a problem."

Q&A thread about secure plus

Dave99B · October 10, 2012 2:26PM

50%, plus or minus 50%?

Dave

AMRC · October 10, 2012 2:55PM

<< Not sure, but all the Morgans in GSA holders have not been messed with.

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And this is a great place to go and solve this. Get 100 Random GSA's and count how many are blast white.

rec78 · October 10, 2012 8:08PM

28.77%

You add 1904-O's to that list. My dad had an original bag of 1,000 1904-O's with the mint seal still in place from New Orleans when we got it in 1962. The 1904-O Morgan dollar was a rare coin before the release of many bags in the 1950's-1960's.

Timbuk3 · October 11, 2012 5:47AM

I have a bunch that I dipped and
submitted for grading so I'm sure
there has to be quite a few out
there !!!

be0there · October 11, 2012 3:33PM

what is the best product to use to dip Morgans?

TwoSides2aCoin · October 11, 2012 8:34PM

<< what is the best product to use to dip Morgans? >>

Welcome. And while I'm not a proponent of dipping ( typically), I do like online searches.
I used BING, and GOOGLE with your question.
Here are the results of those searches :

Bing : what is the best product to use to dip Morgans ?

Google : what is the best product to use to dip Morgans ?

Enjoy and TGIF.

MICHAELDIXON · October 11, 2012 10:43PM

Probably greater than 50%. Let me ask this question, and be honest: "Whenever you submit a blast white Morgan dollar, do you dip it first?" I have submitted many blast white Morgans through the years that were totally original and have friends who have done the same. So, I'm amazed many think that most of the blast white Morgans are dipped.

Greeniejr · October 11, 2012 11:24PM

For Morgans I would go with 15-25%. Clearly I was not in industry back in the day when people had bags of blast white dollars at shows. However, some of the stories I have heard point to crazy quantities of them existing. A few years back we handled a hoard of 25 original, sealed, treasury bags of BU dollars. There were fewer than 100 pieces that were toned and most were pure white. This is a drop in the bucket of what exists for Morgans. But, moreso than any 19th century issue, Original rolls and bags of Morgans were saved. For parallel series like Barbers, I would put the number of original blast white coins at <1%

Yukoncornelius1 · October 11, 2012 11:42PM

A big FAT 0%

be0there · October 12, 2012 3:40AM

<< 

<< what is the best product to use to dip Morgans? >>

Welcome. And while I'm not a proponent of dipping ( typically), I do like online searches.
I used BING, and GOOGLE with your question.
Here are the results of those searches :

Bing : what is the best product to use to dip Morgans ?

Google : what is the best product to use to dip Morgans ?

Enjoy and TGIF. >>

and the OP could have googled his question

Google : What % of the "Blast White" Morgans in TPG slabs do you feel have really never been dipped before

Did you even look at the results of the searches you suggested for me? No answers there.

I will rephrase my question for your sake....

What product do the posters on this thread like best for dipping Morgans? thanks

CalGold · October 12, 2012 4:17AM

The quantity of blast white original Morgans is in the millions. Nearly the entire mintage of many CC dates were part of the GSA hoard and nearly all were original white. Millions more were released from Treasury hoards in 1950s and 60s. The Continental Bank hoard added millions more (some of which were toners) and the Redfield hoard added hundreds of thousands. Yes some coins were stored in envelopes or albums or Redfield holders and were then dipped. But the vast majority were white.

Lest than 10% Less than 5%? You gotta be kidding.

CG

roadrunner · October 13, 2012 12:45AM

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<< There were lots of orig bags of 79-s to 82-s Morgans that were blast white and slabbed as such. Probably a pile of 1885, 1886, 1887, 1883-0, 1884-0, 1885-0, 1898-0, 1899-0,
1900-0, 1901-0, 1902-0 as well. Then there's the CC's that are blast white. That's a lot of essentially blast white Morgans. I'd say 20-40% of them haven't been dipped before. >>

You make a sound point. However, I feel many of these you have referenced have since been cracked out and dipped in search of an upgrade. So I say the true number is somewhere on the order of 3%-10%. >>

2 yrs ago I ran into a 40 roll group of BU Morgans put away in the early to mid-1970's at under $4 per coin. No doubt they came from orig bags. The group is essentially all blast white rolls of solid dates like 80-s, 81-s, 82-s, 83-0, 84-0, 85-0, 85, 86 and 87. I think 6 of the rolls were 1886 - every last one of the them pure white and original as can be (expect for the end coins and the reeding area). If I contemplated sending them in for slabbing there would zero reason to dip any of them as they are already blast white and obviously never dipped. What would dipping them now gain other than to get a "white" rim and a reduction in the luster? I would imagine that those huge hoards of millions of Morgans have mostly remained blast white over the years (ie >50%). I would have to agree that the number of blast white BU Morgans surviving is <10% seems very unlikely to me. While many GSA's did indeed tone over the years, a large % of them are essentially blast white except for the tiniest layer of crusty oxidation - guess I'd call those 98-99% white. And again, I doubt those coins would gain a thing by dipping them to 100% blast white.

In 2009 a dealer I know got to search a bag of 1887 Morgans and picked out the finest 6 to 8 rolls. Basically, all blast white and fresh as daisies. There were a couple of exceptions for coins that were near the surface and displayed attractive bag toning. I purchased the highest grading coin out of those rolls (a lone PCGS MS67). The luster is blinding and billowing with the tiniest of a rainbow crescent covering a bit of the rim - 98-99% blast white. The coin would only drop in grade if dipped. I suspect that would be the case for most white, orig bagged coins.

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