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What do you folks think about this Morgan??
Wabbit2313
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Updated with different pictures.
Updated with different pictures.
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Something about the surface doesn't look right, don't know.
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The clash from the neck on vam world come from down farther on the neck. not where the neck meets the Jawline.
Also, none match the clashes around the lips.
I am by no means an expert, but It doesn't match any die pairings for the year and mint.
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<< <i>Can you post a close up of the date and mouth? >>
Sure, one moment.
I don't see anything unusual about the rev clashes. Has the look of a typical MS67.
<< <i>I'm liking the clashing, sure is white, maybe it's the pic.
Something about the surface doesn't look right, don't know. >>
It's actually just the die erosion.
That said it's hard to tell what the luster is like from the pictures but assuming the luster is fairly nice, the coin looks like a technical 65 at best. Lots of bagmarks in the hair and on the cap of LIBERTY as well as on the eagle's legs and breast. It's hard to tell but there appears to be some minor scuffing in the fields as well. Cheek looks pretty nice with only one visible scratch and possibly some slight scuffing.
Seems to lack luster.
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Kind of a cool overall look, really.
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VAM 3B ????
The spikes on the Date dont match.
Also I cannot match the clashes at the lips.
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<< <i>That said it's hard to tell what the luster is like from the pictures but assuming the luster is fairly nice, the coin looks like a technical 65 at best. Lots of bagmarks in the hair and on the cap of LIBERTY as well as on the eagle's legs and breast. It's hard to tell but there appears to be some minor scuffing in the fields as well. Cheek looks pretty nice with only one visible scratch and possibly some slight scuffing. >>
exactly what i was thinking. a mind reader you are!~
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I just retook the pictures minus the sunlight. I don't have that nice rig that Morgansforever has!!!
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Has the neck clashes, the one over the eagle's right upper wing to the motto (but too far to the right?), and the one to the right of the eagle's left wing.
Doesn't look quite like a 67 anymore, but I can still see it as a 65-66. Pebbly luster is common for these. With the die cracking
in the lettering and date maybe this is a later die state. If so, there should probably also be some railroad tracks further down sticking out of
Liberty's neck. I had a couple rolls of unc 1886 Phillies and this die cracking and clashing seem awfully familiar.
<< <i>I just retook the pictures minus the sunlight. I don't have that nice rig that Morgansforever has!!! >>
Hi, definitely a solid Gem, I just can't see it going gem+ however. A very clean cheek for a 65 however!
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<< <i>That said it's hard to tell what the luster is like from the pictures but assuming the luster is fairly nice, the coin looks like a technical 65 at best. Lots of bagmarks in the hair and on the cap of LIBERTY as well as on the eagle's legs and breast. It's hard to tell but there appears to be some minor scuffing in the fields as well. Cheek looks pretty nice with only one visible scratch and possibly some slight scuffing. >>
exactly what i was thinking. a mind reader you are!~
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Buying on eBay is always a mind game
Here is the sunlight image again. The luster is crazy by the way.
<< <i>Has all the characteristics of a VAM 6A, high 6, clashed obv N Has the neck clashes, the one over the eagle's right upper wing to the motto, and the one to the right of the eagle's left wing. Doesn't look quite like a 67 anymore, but I can still see it as a 65-66. Pebbly luster is common for these. With the die cracking in the lettering and date maybe this is a later die state. If so, there should probably also be some railroad tracks further down sticking out of Liberty's neck. I had a couple rolls of unc 1886 Phillies and this die cracking and clashing seem awfully familiar. >>
I don't agree. First the clash coming out of the neck is not in the same spot.
Second. From the Eagle Wing to the "n" in "In God" does not match up.
The clash on the right wreath starts at the tip of the leaf. on the OP it starts away from the tip of the leaf. S
ame with the clash from the neck/Jawline.
The "M" is different also from the picture on the VAM 6A
This is not a VAM 6A
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You guys are a tough crowd at 65!!!
<< <i>Pictures like those always seem to conceal hairlines and other subtle imperfections but based on the pictures and the pictures alone that looks like a very nice coin. >>
No cleaning or hairlines, I cracked her out earlier today.
I'm not sure that there are clashes on the lips or spikes on the date digits. Coin has plenty of luster. It's the photos that aren't showing it 100%.
The fine die cracking, clashes, satiny/pebbly luster grains, suggest to me that this is a mint made US coin even if so far there is not a perfect VAM match up. If this is
a counterfeit, then it's duplicated every important feature to pass scrutiny. I'd have no business buying gem 19th century silver coins any more if this is the new state of the art.
I know that someday we might get there. Hopefully, it's not this week. It would cost someone a lot of money to create a die and stamping operation to duplicate the US mint
from 1886. And it would only be one die for starters. It wouldn't take long for word to get around. Then another die/date would have to be worked. Most counterfeiters don't want
to go to that extreme and prohibitive cost just to fool tourists and ebayers. And those poor quality of fakes don't draw much if any interest from the secret service or FBI.
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<< <i>VAM 3B if you can still see part of the 'n' clash at the neck, VAM 3 if you can't. The surfaces look funny because this is a late die state with lots of die erosion.
Looks like a rather nice coin from the pictures. >>
I can't see the doubling (due to shadowing) on the upper cross bar of the 1 which is a requirement of either VAM 3, 3A or 3B. But the reverse clash mark from
eagle's wing to "n" in the motto is a dead ringer. So is the die cracking on the upper reverse lettering. The VAM6's have a similar line(s) but it's further to the
left on the "n" rather than running along its side. VAM3B is a match on the reverse from what I see. 3B also has the double clash lines under the chin.
A doubled upper crossbar on the "1" would seal it. If this were cleaned or whizzed I'd be very surprised. A light dipping....possibly.
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It is not counterfeit! LOL! Luster is better than any coin I own, which is saying a lot.
I am intrigued by the Vam discussion.
With the spikes on the "86" you may have a later die state of the VAM 3 series.
This coin is a nice MS65
Also, thank you roadrunner for the wise words.
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<< <i>Does this coin have the doubling on the "STATES OF AMERICA"
With the spikes on the "86" you may have a later die state of the VAM 3 series.
This coin is a nice MS65
Also, thank you roadrunner for the wise words. >>
Yes it does, and I am very happy you are not the grader at PCGS!