<< <i>there is a very good reason we don't see many toners in secure plus holders >>
Sure you want to subscribe to that mindset? Or will objective evidence open your mind and make you refrain from making hasty generalizations in the future?
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<< <i>. there is a very good reason we don't see many toners in secure plus holders . >>
Yeah, the best reason for that is the cost. Any of the SAEs that have toned while I have had them (from blast white to toned), I would submit to the sniffer any time. Never anything applied. just laying out in the same air I breathe in.
Storage is key to the fact that these .999 silver eagles tone. Some get accelerated, true. Some are AT, true (things are added). Many are stored in accepted storage ways (cardboard holders, danscos and the like, etc) and still tone. If you have them stacked, or a tab holder, etc, there will be different patterns.
Too many people jump on one side or the other rather than look at the big picture and try to figure it out. Ie....."Yes, they are .999 so they all tone quickly and everything is acceptable" or "no! they are too recent! Any toning MUST BE AT!".
The truth, as they say, is in the middle. "Threatening" the sniffer is not going to show any problems with many of them.
I can believe these are real toners. ASE's tone very easily due to their virtually pure silver content. Keeping them in an album, on an old sheet of paper, in a velvet box, etc. for even just a few months in the right conditions can produce wild colors.
I bought a number of SAEs a few years ago. Never opened the original mint packaging until I decided to sell. Once I opened the package, one of the coins had been dislodged from the packaging and was loose. It toned in a very spectacular manner. It certainly looked AT, but was completely original. PCGS slabbed it as a 69. FYI, this was an Unc, not a proof SAE. Sometimes events conspire to make interesting coins.
Retired United States Mint guy, now working on an Everyman Type Set.
When people learn that they are pure silver and understand and how they tone the better off they will be. The Secure Plus is a very expensive way to go if you are trying to do the entire series.
It would add considerable costs to the overall collection. PCGS is tough enough on these and are very good at spotting the AT'd ones. Actually a little too conservative IMO.
The one you refer to is really nothing spectacular and has over saturated images.
Now, I do however have my toned Ike Proofs in Secure Plus, but I only have a few.
<< <i>there is a very good reason we don't see many toners in secure plus holders >>
Sure you want to subscribe to that mindset? Or will objective evidence open your mind and make you refrain from making hasty generalizations in the future? >>
Since when did "many" become synonymous with "none"? Personally I won't be surprised when PCGS stops certifying these as MA.
I think it's rather ludicrous how this forum is always up in arms when the topic of coin doctors is discussed yet certain members knowingly submit coins with ties to the "Peac@ck" Ike hoard to our host with hopes they will accidentally let some slip by.
<< <i>there is a very good reason we don't see many toners in secure plus holders >>
Sure you want to subscribe to that mindset? Or will objective evidence open your mind and make you refrain from making hasty generalizations in the future? >>
Since when did "many" become synonymous with "none"? Personally I won't be surprised when PCGS stops certifying these as MA.
I think it's rather ludicrous how this forum is always up in arms when the topic of coin doctors is discussed yet certain members knowingly submit coins with ties to the "Peac@ck" Ike hoard to our host with hopes they will accidentally let some slip by. >>
Oh, please. The poster was insinuating (even though he forgot to use the insinuating font, I can tell )that the kind of toners in the link in the OP wouldn't make it past the Secure Plus program as naturally toned. I provided evidence to the contrary.
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I can't think of a scenario where this would be NT. Help me out, did it lay halfway on a sheet of paper for years? >>
This one did.
Actually, it was in a plastic baggy and a business card was laying across the toned area. I know because I pulled it out of the baggy which my realtor had brough to show me.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
.999 silver business strike ASE's react with just about anything. Put it on the window sill it will tone. Stick it in your sock drawer it will tone. Insert it in a Dansco it will tone. ASE's don't always tone the same. Secondly, the copper that is mixed in may be at the surface, who knows. An ASE given the right environmental factors, could wildly tone, could tone ugly or may not tone at all.
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<< <i>there is a very good reason we don't see many toners in secure plus holders >>
Sure you want to subscribe to that mindset? Or will objective evidence open your mind and make you refrain from making hasty generalizations in the future?
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there is a very good reason we don't see many toners in secure plus holders
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Yeah, the best reason for that is the cost.
Any of the SAEs that have toned while I have had them (from blast white to toned), I would submit to the sniffer any time. Never anything applied. just laying out in the same air I breathe in.
Storage is key to the fact that these .999 silver eagles tone. Some get accelerated, true. Some are AT, true (things are added). Many are stored in accepted storage ways (cardboard holders, danscos and the like, etc) and still tone. If you have them stacked, or a tab holder, etc, there will be different patterns.
Too many people jump on one side or the other rather than look at the big picture and try to figure it out.
Ie....."Yes, they are .999 so they all tone quickly and everything is acceptable" or "no! they are too recent! Any toning MUST BE AT!".
The truth, as they say, is in the middle. "Threatening" the sniffer is not going to show any problems with many of them.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
they will be. The Secure Plus is a very expensive way to go if you are trying to do the entire series.
It would add considerable costs to the overall collection. PCGS is tough enough on these and are very good
at spotting the AT'd ones. Actually a little too conservative IMO.
The one you refer to is really nothing spectacular and has over saturated images.
Now, I do however have my toned Ike Proofs in Secure Plus, but I only have a few.
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
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<< <i>there is a very good reason we don't see many toners in secure plus holders >>
Sure you want to subscribe to that mindset? Or will objective evidence open your mind and make you refrain from making hasty generalizations in the future? >>
Since when did "many" become synonymous with "none"? Personally I won't be surprised when PCGS stops certifying these as MA.
I think it's rather ludicrous how this forum is always up in arms when the topic of coin doctors is discussed yet certain members knowingly submit coins with ties to the "Peac@ck" Ike hoard to our host with hopes they will accidentally let some slip by.
Here are the seller's pics of a GN-91 I came across recently, but they definitely seem to be in the minority.
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<< <i>there is a very good reason we don't see many toners in secure plus holders >>
Sure you want to subscribe to that mindset? Or will objective evidence open your mind and make you refrain from making hasty generalizations in the future? >>
Since when did "many" become synonymous with "none"? Personally I won't be surprised when PCGS stops certifying these as MA.
I think it's rather ludicrous how this forum is always up in arms when the topic of coin doctors is discussed yet certain members knowingly submit coins with ties to the "Peac@ck" Ike hoard to our host with hopes they will accidentally let some slip by. >>
Oh, please. The poster was insinuating (even though he forgot to use the insinuating font, I can tell
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I can't think of a scenario where this would be NT. Help me out, did it lay halfway on a sheet of paper for years? >>
This one did.
Actually, it was in a plastic baggy and a business card was laying across the toned area. I know because I pulled it out of the baggy which my realtor had brough to show me.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>I actually seem to see a lot more colorfully toned ASEs in problem-free holders than in GN-91 holders.
Here are the seller's pics of a GN-91 I came across recently, but they definitely seem to be in the minority.
From the image, I would accept that as NT
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
it will tone. Stick it in your sock drawer it will tone. Insert it in a Dansco it will tone.
ASE's don't always tone the same. Secondly, the copper that is mixed in may be at the surface, who knows.
An ASE given the right environmental factors, could wildly tone, could tone ugly or may not tone at all.
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<< <i>I actually seem to see a lot more colorfully toned ASEs in problem-free holders than in GN-91 holders.
Here are the seller's pics of a GN-91 I came across recently, but they definitely seem to be in the minority.
From the image, I would accept that as NT >>
What do you think caused that toning?