PCGS Database Error?

SleepyGold · September 18, 2012 10:34AM

Long time lurker. Thought you guys might find this interesting and/or have some thoughts.

I believe that I may have found a PCGS database error on a coin.

I have a 1908 No Motto Wells Fargo $20 St. Gaudens in MS66
(Certification number W1103881F). (Hopefully my pics will show up)

This appears to be a legitimate coin and interestingly has a CAC
sticker. If you were to look the coin up on the CAC site it does
match the coin I have in hand.
http://www.caccoin.com/look-up-your-coins/

However when I enter 1103881 into the PCGS verification database it
produces a 1936-D 50C in MS64.

I have contacted PCGS customer service but have not heard back. Additionally if I have to send it in for re-holdering I suppose I would lose the CAC designation and I wonder if it is even worth doing that.

LindeDad · September 18, 2012 10:41AM

Wait and talk to customer service during normal business hours not sure what is going on with that certification number, all I have ever seen are numerals only.
Probably some type of promo holder from days past.

BTW

Buzzybest · September 18, 2012 10:52AM

Try cert number 99142. Very interesting history written on this coin by David Hall. The pop on your coin appears to be 4747 with a PCGS value of $3150 per Coin Facts.
edit: 99142 didn't work either,but the rest I just read in Coin Facts.

I believe 99142 is the real coin number,not cert number.

LindeDad · September 18, 2012 11:02AM

OK figured out what Busybest was saying so here is a link to the coin number relating to the Well Fargo hoard....99142

MsMorrisine · September 18, 2012 11:02AM

meanwhile.... back at the ranch...

this one checks out:

MsMorrisine · September 18, 2012 11:08AM

but this one from DLRC does not:

OGH's sometimes have OGH cert problems.

SleepyGold · September 18, 2012 12:33PM

Those are some nice Saints!!

I think this is a good coin and just is a cert error. Pretty interesting though that it is in the CAC database and not PCGS. I have not run across that before.

MsMorrisine · September 18, 2012 1:30PM

CAC just reads the info on the label and stores it in their own database. They are also very likely aware of the cert lookup problem.

FYI, there have also been a few rare cases of duplicated cert numbers, also involving old holders.

Buzzybest · September 18, 2012 2:03PM

<< <i>Those are some nice Saints!!

I think this is a good coin and just is a cert error. Pretty interesting though that it is in the CAC database and not PCGS. I have not run across that before. >>

It's all in Coin Facts,along with a very interesting history written by David Hall. The only mistake is someone who doesn't subscribe to Coin Facts.

Staircoins · September 19, 2012 4:58AM

<< <i>... Additionally if I have to send it in for re-holdering I suppose I would lose the CAC designation and I wonder if it is even worth doing that... >>

I can think of no reason at all to send that coin in for reholdering. The OGH/CAC combination is hard to beat.

Nice coin.

SleepyGold · September 19, 2012 5:56AM

For anybody following along here is the solution:

Thank you for contacting PCGS Customer Service.

The Wells Fargo coins have a special certificate number issued to them and the way to verify them on our PCGS cert verification site is as follows:

The certificate #'s on the holder should look something like this… W1103881F

You need to change the second "1" to "0" and drop the W and F. So you would enter 1003881. This should pull up the correct info. [And indeed it does]

SleepyGold · September 19, 2012 1:34PM

Bump

DorkGirl · September 19, 2012 9:33PM

BAJJERFAN · September 19, 2012 9:43PM

I had a Walker in a doily with the same issue. I ended up selling it.

PCGS Database Error?

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