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One of my last newps, an 1820 10c smallC not small 0 as the pcgs holder states. GTG anyway!

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  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭
    AU55

    that was easy. image
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>AU55

    that was easy. image >>



    that is amazing, i was thinking the same grade. gee i hope we are close

    and on another note, i didn't know there was a 0 in liberty image
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  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    Nice Bust Dime image
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think I'll take a stab at AU55... Am I close image
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  • AU55 no plus, no sticker, not sniffed
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  • MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,768 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>AU55 no plus, no sticker, not sniffed >>


    You forgot...edge view holder.
  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    I would buy that coin any day. Looks like JR-10 R3 Small 0, and it also has a Small C. PCGS has it labeled correctly.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
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  • Ha, it's a trick question. Resubmitted and graded out at 58.

    I have no idea what I'm talking about. image
    Let's try not to get upset.
  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    It should really be classified by the size of the "C" at the denomination.
    The date size variation, or the last digit "0" is not really obvious to many people.
    It is easier to look at the "C" at the denomination to differentiate whether the die
    marriage is a JR-8 or 9 if the "C" is large, or the 11 other die marriages if the "C"
    is small.


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    << <i>AU55 no plus, no sticker, not sniffed >>



    Please explain your answer, thanks! >>



    It does not have a plus, CAC, or SP holder, that is all. I make no assumptions on if it would
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice dime. Not familiar with small o in 10c. It's the zero in date that is large or small.
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  • USMoneyloverUSMoneylover Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭
    Sweet looking bust dime, thanks for sharing!
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  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭
    Small 0, small C.
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  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    The "0" could also be small, and the size of the "C." could also be a different size.

    Realone, measure the size of all the "0's" in the dates of the 13 die marriages (or less if the
    obverse is re-used for other die marriages), and report back with your findings in regards to
    whether there are "Small 0" and "Large 0" types image
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This dime is attributed correctly. The small 0 has the 0 the same size as the rest of the date. The large 0 has the 0 larger than the rest of the date. Sorta like the 1834 large and small 4.
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  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    I'd probably call this an R3+ die marriage; I was surprised earlier today to see that it was still listed as R4.
    Just my observations, I haven't counted all the JR-10's I've seen!
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's listed as a R3 not R4 in "the book". Like I said ..... it is attributed correctly.

    The 0 is either large or small. I don't know why it is listed in some marriages and not in others.

    Again very nice coin.

    Although the poor thing is destined to become cannon fodder for an apartment building someday.image
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  • USMoneyloverUSMoneylover Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭
    I was going post what I thought was my 1820 jr-10, but mine is a jr-9 woops!
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  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    I am not aware of there being a formal update on Capped Bust Dime rarity ratings since what was published in the Journal March 2009. Where might I find this printed information.

    If you have access to EARLY US DIMES 1796-1837, what you want to know about the size of the 1820 zeros is on page 86. It is pretty clearly written.

    Edited to spell the correct "there".
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • USMoneyloverUSMoneylover Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I am not aware of there being a formal update on Capped Bust Dime rarity ratings since what was published in the Journal March 2009. Where might I find this printed information.

    If you have access to EARLY US DIMES 1796-1837, what you want to know about the size of the 1820 zeros is on page 86. It is pretty clearly written.

    Edited to spell the correct "there". >>



    There was another census in Dec. 2011 issue of the journal.
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  • USMoneyloverUSMoneylover Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>It's listed as a R3 not R4 in "the book". Like I said ..... it is attributed correctly.

    The 0 is either large or small. I don't know why it is listed in some marriages and not in others.

    Again very nice coin.

    Although the poor thing is destined to become cannon fodder for an apartment building someday.image >>



    Incorrect, it was listed as R-3 in the EUSD, but recently updated to R-4 status at the last JRCS meeting and printed as R-4 in the journal. >>



    My Dec. 2011 dime census issue has the 1820 jr-10 listed as an R-3
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  • USMoneyloverUSMoneylover Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>I am not aware of there being a formal update on Capped Bust Dime rarity ratings since what was published in the Journal March 2009. Where might I find this printed information.

    If you have access to EARLY US DIMES 1796-1837, what you want to know about the size of the 1820 zeros is on page 86. It is pretty clearly written.

    Edited to spell the correct "there". >>




    I stand corrected, I assumed that since it was in my notes that I picked it up from the 2009 JRCS Journal, I was mistaken, my notes are from my conversation with Louis Scuderi, who stated that it is an R-4 and an R-6 with cud. Sorry for the misinformation. But the fact is the Jr-10 is a tough coin in general and extremely tough in the higher grades as I outlined in my previous post. >>



    Regardless if it is an R-3, your coin is in the top 5 condition-wise according to the census. There is 1 unc, 3 au, and 4 ef coins listed. My opinion is that generally speaking the marriage is an R-3, but if you take condition into account the marriage rarity increases.
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  • MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,768 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>GTG anyway! >>


    You do realize the grade is on the label in the picture right?
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  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>It's listed as a R3 not R4 in "the book". Like I said ..... it is attributed correctly.

    The 0 is either large or small. I don't know why it is listed in some marriages and not in others.

    Again very nice coin.

    Although the poor thing is destined to become cannon fodder for an apartment building someday.image >>



    Incorrect, it was listed as R-3 in the EUSD, but recently updated to R-4 status at the last JRCS meeting and printed as R-4 in the journal. >>



    My Dec. 2011 dime census issue has the 1820 jr-10 listed as an R-3 >>



    Thanks for this information. I had not managed to move my label to the newest John Reich Bust Dime Census. Anyway, the JR-10 is still R3, with a MS 62 listed as the best. 1820 Bust Half Dimes are very underrated.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was under the impression that the large 1 in 1820 defined the 0 in the 1820 date in the dime as being small in comparison.

    If the 1 in 1820 was the same size as the 820 in the date then the 0 was considered large.

    This is my recollection from many many years ago. Back in the 1970's. Wow, that is a long time ago.

    Is my memory valid or faulty?

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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My dear friend realone,

    Thanks for the reference from the book.

    So then what was the story with the big (really tall) digit 1 in the 1820 date? Was that a different 1820 dime variety?

    I must be confusing the two varieties?
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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This "1" looks pretty big to me.

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  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    Hey boys, thanks for a very interesting thread. I enjoyed it.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    looking forward to JG images :-)



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