Coins with "rumored" existence...
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The "no MS" thread got me thinking...
QDB states he handled an MS 1870-CC Double Eagle.
The 1849 Double Eagle is rumored to have a twin in unknown hands.
Some museum in Europe is rumored to have a mint state 1795 reeded edge cent.
What other delectible collectibles can you think of, and what's their story?
QDB states he handled an MS 1870-CC Double Eagle.
The 1849 Double Eagle is rumored to have a twin in unknown hands.
Some museum in Europe is rumored to have a mint state 1795 reeded edge cent.
What other delectible collectibles can you think of, and what's their story?
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It was certainly minted and issued but it hasn't been seen in years. One theory is that it may have been stolen and it's possible it doesn't exist anymore.
But my favorite is the Libertas Americana medals in gold. 2 minted, give to Marie Antoinette and King Lois the whatever, and not seen since the French revolution.
There's always the 1974 aluminum cent ...
<< <i>There's always the 1974 aluminum cent ...
Not rumored. One is in the Smithsonian.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
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<< <i>There's always the 1974 aluminum cent ...
Not rumored. One is in the Smithsonian. >>
Didn't PCGS and/or ICG also certify one? I will say it's a weird coin with how light it is.
<< <i>i often wondered what would happen if the 1964 D Peace dollar did emerge from somewhere what the government would do about that? would it be like the 1933 st gaudens that they kept? just wondering >>
If it's handled like the 1933 DE, you might try applying for an export license to ship to a foreign head of state
<< <i>of course the 1964-D Peace dollar. >>
Also, reportedly some 2000-S proof Sac dollars were struck in silver.
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<< <i>There's always the 1974 aluminum cent ...
Not rumored. One is in the Smithsonian. >>
Yes, as is the 1849 Double Eagle mentioned in the OP.
However, perhaps a dozen or so other 1974 aluminum cents are rumored to remain in private hands.
<< <i>1873s Seated dollar >>
The PCGS pop for it is 1, so it must exist.
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<< <i>A small handful of 1876-S twenty-cent pieces are rumored to have been struck. >>
Never heard of that,
but I like it !!!
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coinage in Carson City. However, there had not been a "coiner" approved by Washington to
start the minting process. The "coiner" was there at the mint but was not yet approved and
thus they could not start minting dollars, or any other denomination. He was approved in December
but they did not get permission to begin minting as there was not enough time left in the year
to use the dies. They sent the dies back and new dies were sent out and minting began in
earnest in February, 1870.
That's the background.
Here's what I think. Abe was a jump starter and went full bore in anything he did from construction
of the Capital Bldg, Mint Bldg, Round House, etc, to the implementation of the equipment and such
for the coining of the new trinkets. Well he had the dies of 1869cc on hand, had proved that the
equipment was ready by testing and adjusting, but the year ran out before the coiner was officially
appointed.
Now, if it was your baby and it was your sandbox, and your equipment was all up and running and
you had the dies, would you have not tested them? Make a few coins just to see that all was working
as it should, and when the time came to open the Mint and begin the coinage, you'd be prepared?
My research says that that is likely probable and all the coins minted were immediately returned
to the smelting pot and melted. Or, were they all?
I still think that one or more 1869cc dollar may show up someday in one of the original CC families
passed down possessions. Perhaps in Abe's? Maybe the Coiner's family? Hmmmmmmm, I do believe
that one or more exist. Whoever finds it will rewrite the books, that's for sure!
Oh, and of course it will be tied up in court and eventually stolen and put in the Smithsonian for nobody
to see.
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Also, 1796 QE with a small eagle reverse has been another thought, as well.
I do feel that the Peace $ exists.
There are probably other coins that will come out that will surprise the numismatic community!
I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.
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<< <i>There's always the 1974 aluminum cent ...
Too Late.
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<< <i>There's always the 1974 aluminum cent ...
This one is known to exist. 1.5 million specimen copies were struck. An unknown number (but likely at least several dozen) were distributed to various governmental poobahs. Then they were ordered to be returned. At least a dozen (and possibly more) were never properly accounted for.
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
<< <i>However, perhaps a dozen or so other 1974 aluminum cents are rumored to remain in private hands.
These were coins not returned. Several may have been lost (waiting to be rediscovered in some musty old desk in the basement of the Capitol) or destroyed, but certainly at least a few are maintained in carefully guarded secrecy.
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
<< <i>George Washington gold Comitia Americana medal. It was certainly minted and issued but it hasn't been seen in years. One theory is that it may have been stolen and it's possible it doesn't exist anymore. >>
Are you thinking of the gold Libertas Americana medals, struck for Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette? The gold Washington Before Boston Comitia Americana medal is known and safe, residing in the collection of the Boston Public Library. It was put on display in 2010. Here are two coin geeks looking at it:
The gold Libertas Americana medals were almost certainly lost in the French Revolution.
Betts medals, colonial coins, US Mint medals, foreign coins found in early America, and other numismatic Americana
<< <i>Once upon a time there were rumored to be 1804 half dollars, if only by virtue of them being listed in early 20th century price guides or dealer buy lists. >>
You mean this coin?
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<< <i>Business strike 1895 Philadelphia silver dollars, though the usual explanation is that the 12,000 business strikes reported were never released and melted pursuant to the Pittman Act of 1918, or were never struck and merely represented an accounting entry. An alternate theory is that they were struck but dated 1894. >>
John Ford was quoted by Q.D.B. in the latter's two volume encyclopedia, as having seen a business strike 1895 at a A.N.A. Convention in 1961.
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<< <i>nice try Rich, but if it existed would it have a crosslet 4?
I own the coin I posted, bought it from Tony Terranova. It was altered from another date, but looks pretty good.
Tony speculates that sometime in the late 1800's or early 1900's, someone was fooled by this coin.
I agree with Tony on this one.
It cost about the same as an 1802 at the time I bought it several years ago. I figured I had seen a lot of 1802's but never an 1804, so I bought it.
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<< <i>Branch mint proof Morgan dollars. I know a New Hampshire dealer who swore he had one. It came back as an 1884-O PL... >>
There are many of these!
Problem is, what do you do with it? How could anyone verify it's authenticity with no known pieces to go by?
With 300k plus struck, someone has one somewhere, don't you agree?
<< <i>I find it hard to believe, not a single example of the 64D Peace buck didn't escape the Mint.
Problem is, what do you do with it? How could anyone verify it's authenticity with no known pieces to go by?
With 300k plus struck, someone has one somewhere, don't you agree? >>
Tom DeLorey has weighed in with his recollection of a Mint employee who got two the first day they were made, and claimed to still have them. He said employees were allowed to buy two, but then were told the next day that they had to return them.
Michael Lantz, who worked at the Denver Mint at the time, said no such distribution occurred.
I find it hard to believe that President Lyndon Johnson, the Mint Director and several others didn't either acquire one of the 1964-D dollars, or have the opportunity to do so.
But when the government has stated that they will go after them like they have after the 1933 double eagles, it is no wonder that no 1964-D dollars have turned up.
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"Bruce Amspacher related the following concerning the rarer of two die varieties of the 1875-S/CC: "In early 1974, Ed Hipps sold an 1875-S/CC trade dollar to Jim Halperin for $375. The coin was frosty, mint state, and clean-as-a-gem to my 1974 eyes. I wanted the coin, but Jim quoted me $625 for it. Too much. The neatest thing about the coin was that the 'CC' mintmark was completely clear of the 'S' and far to the right. In 1975 I asked Jim if he still had the coin. He said he had sold it to Eric Newman (or maybe he said he sold it to John Willem--it was definitely one of those two)."
From QDB's Silver Dollar Encyclopedia. A second S/CC has since been found, but no word of the supposed second S/CC Ampascher talked about.
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<< <i>I find it hard to believe, not a single example of the 64D Peace buck didn't escape the Mint.
Problem is, what do you do with it? How could anyone verify it's authenticity with no known pieces to go by?
With 300k plus struck, someone has one somewhere, don't you agree? >>
Tom DeLorey has weighed in with his recollection of a Mint employee who got two the first day they were made, and claimed to still have them. He said employees were allowed to buy two, but then were told the next day that they had to return them.
Michael Lantz, who worked at the Denver Mint at the time, said no such distribution occurred.
I find it hard to believe that President Lyndon Johnson, the Mint Director and several others didn't either acquire one of the 1964-D dollars, or have the opportunity to do so.
But when the government has stated that they will go after them like they have after the 1933 double eagles, it is no wonder that no 1964-D dollars have turned up. >>
To clarify:
I spoke with a man who worked at the Denver Mint at the time of the striking.
I asked him if it were true that employees were allowed to buy the new silver dollars.
He said yes, and that he did not buy any, but a friend of his at the Mint did.
He said that the next day all employees were ordered to return the coins or lose their jobs. He also said that his friend reported that he had spent the two dollars at a bar the night before.
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Michael Lantz said there was an exchange program for the JFK half dollars and believes the Peace Dollar story was probably mixed up with the JFK half story.
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<< <i>How about the mythical 1917 matte proof Lincoln. There are stories about it but as posted earlier, until I see one in a museum or TPG slab, it does not exist... >>
Reminds me of the 1959 wheat cent.
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Certainly intriguing and not rumored, it exists somewhere.
link to 1959D Wheatie article
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<< <i>i often wondered what would happen if the 1964 D Peace dollar did emerge from somewhere what the government would do about that? would it be like the 1933 st gaudens that they kept? just wondering >>
If it's handled like the 1933 DE, you might try applying for an export license to ship to a foreign head of state
lmao, yeah, i think ya got something there
I saw two Indian head cents so struck thursday at Long Beach, both "for sale" at over $500K.
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