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are the 1933 Double Eagles really worth $80M now?

Yahoo posted this article on the fate of the Langboard's 1933 double eagles. Yahoo Article

The headline is that they are worth $80 Million. If they are owned by the government, they are not worth that at all. They are only worth that when they are sold and the fact that the government is holding them, they really only have a value of $20 or at most, the spot price of the gold. Not a penny more.

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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,558 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Many things owned by the government are worth a lot of money.

    But I don't think they are worth $80M. I don't think they would bring that much if they were declared legal to own and sold at auction.

    The one in private hands brought 7.5M because of the novelty and its unique status. Ten would "flood" the market! image

    I wonder who the source was who estimated their value for the article...
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    where is the article that the gov is trying to abscond the one in private hands since they have deemed them illegal for private hands?
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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think the $80 million number was created by rounding the $7.5 million up to $8 million, then multiplying by the number of coins (10).

    Obviously, no one who understands the coin market thinks if there is only one coin worth $7.5 million, that ten more would be worth $80 million.

    But the government lawyers wanted to present a case that the Langbords were unjustly enriched, so they calculated the amount the highest possible way.

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  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I think the $80 million number was created by rounding the $7.5 million up to $8 million, then multiplying by the number of coins (10).

    Obviously, no one who understands the coin market thinks if there is only one coin worth $7.5 million, that ten more would be worth $80 million.

    But the government lawyers wanted to present a case that the Langbords were unjustly enriched, so they calculated the amount the highest possible way. >>



    Well said.
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,149 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is the "arithmetic" in action!
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Worth melt until sold.......image

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  • It is fun to speculate without putting it on the auction block!


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  • LochNESSLochNESS Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Worth melt until sold.......image
    image >>



    And knowing the government, it will probably not be long until they are melted esp. since the Smithsonian already has two for display imageimage
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  • << <i>Those will be turned into First Spouses before you can say Mary Todd Lincoln. >>




    Can you please show us a "First Spouse"?
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I believe a previous $20 mil (one lot, wholesale) "suggestion" might be a truer approximation..... TDN and I could flip the deal quicklyimage ... or notimage

    The complaints would then begin about selling off federal assets too cheaply.

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  • tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭
    I certainly know HOW they came to that number, but my point is, if they aren't being sold/traded amongst collectors, they don't have much value.
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,270 ✭✭✭✭✭
    does anyone know what the government is going to do with them now?
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>does anyone know what the government is going to do with them now? >>



    I thought I read where they realized these were national treasures and would continue to display them. They'd be foolish to melt $20-$30 MILL in collector value in
    the current economic climate. They'd be tarred and feathered. Leave the melting to the next mint director. image
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  • AnalystAnalyst Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭

    Rich Uhrich: <<Obviously, no one who understands the coin market thinks if there is only one coin worth $7.5 million, that ten more would be worth $80 million. ... But the government lawyers wanted to present a case that the Langbords were unjustly enriched, so they calculated the amount the highest possible way.>>

    CAC Offers $20 Million For 1933 Double Eagles

    If auctioned at a rate of one every six months, the Switt-Langbord ten would probably realize a total of more than $20 million (including auction firm commissions), but nowhere near $80 million.

    Please consider reading my two articles on this case. For the first piece, I was a winner of the NLG award for the best article published on a website.

    The Switt-Langbord Case

    Analysis of the Verdict in the Switt-Langbord Case, with comments by QDB and David Ganz


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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It doesn't really matter what somebody says they're worth.

    They is what they is and that's all that they is.

    Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,089 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think if they ever did hit the market and "flood" it, they'd
    go for 3-4 million each,.....jmho
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,621 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think over the course of time , with the interest generated by the whole sordid affair, court findings and records, and fascinating numismatic tale, A true BLOW OUT sale it could be.... I suspect they're worth way more. Let one go to auction. Then we see. Like I tell my nephew "put up the worst first". Then keep the interest alive and list the next best grade. By the time they sell the last one, the first one sold in auction, can be re-auctioned and beat the last one's price , and they'll keep going up and up ( a little ambiguety on the "up and up" there). Like the GREATEST coins of all times do, they keep going up.
    These have a mystique all their own. These coins kept my interest in the hobby when so many other things about it seemed radically flawed. I counted on the government to assess this exactly as they have. Wrong as it is (in my layman's opinion and the dreamer in me), it will be made right because ... Well , they're the last Double Eagles ever made.

    When my children were very young (a quarter century now), I read them a Dr Suess book titled , "The Lorax". These coins have a certain parallel to that story, for me.

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  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The US Mint could do what the US Post Office Department did in 1962 with the
    Dag Hammarskjold error stamps.

    Restrike 1933 double eagles and sell them to collectors as bullion coins.

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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Go ahead, make fun of me They're worth a trillion dollars.

    .image

    okay.

    even a hundred moana lisas wouldn't be worth a trillion dollars.

    Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

  • fishcookerfishcooker Posts: 3,446 ✭✭
    So do they still have an estate tax problem, or did the trial also erase their tax "mistake" when they inherited the coins?

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